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Debunking Christian Circular Arguments and Assumptions





Quiz: The Death Toll List - God vs. Satan

 

According to Christian tradition, God is all good, while Satan is all evil.  Therefore, you would think that their actions in the Bible reflect this as well.  However, take a look at this death toll tally sheet below, taken off an interesting website which tallies up the murders and atrocities by God vs. Satan.  The results are shocking and seem totally contradictory to the traditional stereotype!  (The murders where the number killed is mentioned in the Bible are listed by count, and the murders where the number killed is not given are listed with a "?" question mark.)

 

You can show this list to Christians and ask them to take the quiz below it.  But so far, none of them have been willing to answer the quiz questions!  When you see the quiz, you’ll know why! 

 

            http://www.angelfire.com/ky/nogod/deathtoll.html

 

Killed by God

 

? -- Drowned everyone in the whole world except for Noah and his family (Genesis 7)

1 -- Saltified Lot's wife (Genesis 19:26)

? -- Burned all of the people of Sodom and Gomorrah (except for "good" Lot who offered his virgin daughters to a mob of men and then slept with both of them himself later)

1 -- Slew Er, Judah's firstborn son (Genesis 38:7)

1 -- Killed Er's brother, Onan because he spilled semen on the ground so as not to conceive offspring for his brother's wife whom he was forced to marry (Genesis 38:9-10)

? -- The firstborn in all of Egypt (Exodus 12:29)

? -- Drowned the pharoah and all of his gang in the Red Sea (Exodus 14:26-28)

2 -- Nadab and Abihu for making a fire

? -- Burned some Jews for complaining

? -- Sent a plague against Jews for being greedy

11 -- Sent a plague on Jews who gave the chosen land a bad report

? -- Korah and other Jews who didn't like Moses

? -- The Lord causes the earth to open and swallow up the men and

their families because they had been rebellious (Numbers 16:27-33)

250 -- A fire from the Lord consumes 250 men (Numbers 16:35)

14,700 -- Sent a plague on Jews apparently for the hell of it (Numbers 16:49)

"many" -- Sent serpents on Jews (Numbers 21:6)

24,000 -- Plague killed Jews who followed Baal (Numbers 25:9)

? -- Philistines

50,070 -- Jews who looked in the ark of the covenant (1 Samuel 6:19)

1 -- Nabal for scorning David

1 -- Uzzah for touching the ark when trying to keep it from falling

1 -- David and Bathsheba's child

70,000 -- Sent a pestilence because David sinned (2 Samuel 24:15)

51 -- Fire from heaven consumes the prophets of Baal (2 Kings 1:10-12)

102 -- Sent fire down on Ahaziah's men

42 -- Sent bears to kill children who mocked Elisha (2 Kings 2:23-24)

? -- Sent lions to kill invaders

185,000 -- Assyrians (2 Kings 19:35)

80,000 -- Lots of bad Israelites

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399,933 + ? -- Total killed by God!

 

 

Killed on God's orders by his followers

 

? -- Jacob's sons killed every man in Shechem

3,000 -- Jews worshipping the golden calf (Exodus 32:27-29)

1 -- Man gathering wood on the Sabbath Day (Numbers 15:32-36)

? -- Canaan (Numbers 21:3)

? -- The Lord commands Moses to kill the people and expose them in broad daylight so that the Lord's anger may be turned away from Israel (Numbers 25:4)

? -- Took the city of Heshbon from the Amorites

? -- All of the people of Bashan

? -- All Midianites except for the virgin girls (Numbers 31:17-18)

? -- The Israelites destroy the men, women, and children of Sihon leaving no survivors after the Lord gave them over to them (Deuteronomy 2:33-34)

? -- The Israelites destroy the men, women, and children of Og after the Lord gave them over to them (Deuteronomy 3:6)

? -- Everyone in Jericho but Rahab, a hooker who betrayed her city (Joshua 6:21-27)

? -- Achan and his family (who had nothing to do with it) for stealing (Joshua 7:19-26)

12,000 -- Joshua utterly smites the people of Ai with the God's approval (Joshua 8:22-25)

? -- Everyone in the cities of Ai, Amalek, Makkedah, Libnath, Lachish, Egnolites,

            Jarmuth, Geder, Hebronites, Debirites, Hormah, Arad, Addellam, Bethel,

            Tappuah, Hepher, Apheh, Lasheron, Madon, Tasnach, Megiddo, Kedesh,

            Jokneam, Dor, Goiim, Terzah, Gibeonites and all of the Amorites.

10,000 -- Canaanites of Bezek (Judges 1:4)

10,000 -- The Israelites kill the Moabites with the help of the Lord (Judges 3:29)

? -- The people of Jerusalem, Sheshai, Ahiman, and Talmai

? -- The people of Zephath, Gaza, Ashkelon, Ekron, and the king of Moab, Eglon.

? -- The army of Sisera and the men of Karkor

? -- Jephthah destroyed 20 cities

30 -- The Spirit of the Lord comes Samson and causes him to slay thirty men

(Judges 14:19)

1000 --  Under the Spirit of the Lord, Samson slays 1000 men with the jawbone of an ass (Judges 15:15)

3000 -- Samson, with the help of the Lord, pulls down the pillars of the Philistine house and causes his own death and that of 3000 other men and women (Judges 16: 27-30)

50,100 -- The men of the tribe of Benjamin (Judges 20:35, 43-48)

? -- The tribe of Jabesh-gilead

? -- The Ammonites, the Philistines and the Amelekites

331,269 -- David killed a whole bunch of people

3 -- Solomon killed a few people too

? -- All of Jeroboam's extended family

? -- All of Baasha's extended family

450 -- Prophets of Baal

793,000 -- All Jewish Baal-followers

127,000 -- Arameans slain by the Israelites with the help of the Lord (1 Kings 20:28-30)

1 -- Man who wouldn't strike a prophet

? -- Moabites

172      -- Jezebel, Ahab's sons, Joram, their priests, and their friends

142      -- Ahaziah's relatives

? -- The sacrifice of the firstborn of Israel so that the Lord might horrify them.

? -- All of Baal's followers

1 -- Athaliah for killing sons

1 -- Mattan the Baal priest

10,002 -- Edomites and two servents

? -- All of the pregnant women in Tirzah

20,000 -- Hezekiah killed a bunch of people

500,000 -- Israelites killed each other

50,000 -- Ethiopians

23,000 -- Seerites

510 -- Haman's army

75,300 -- More of the army

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2,017,956 + ? -- Total killed by God's followers under his orders!

 

So the grand total comes to:

 

      399,933 Killed by God

+ 2,017,956 Killed by God’s followers

= 2,417,889 + ? people killed by God and his followers under his orders PLUS an unknown amount which probably number into the millions, including the whole world at the time of Noah, and over 60 whole cities!

 

vs.

 

Killed by Satan

 

? -- Satan killed Job's children after God gave him permission to.

 

Now, show that death toll list above to any Christian and ask them the following questions to shock them big time!

 

Q1)  Who has killed more people overall, God or Satan?

 

Q2)  Which is the bigger sinner, the average human being who's never killed

        anyone, or the God of the Bible who's killed at least 2.5 million people?

 

Q3)  Who has committed more crimes, YOU or the God of the Bible, who's killed millions of people according to the Bible?  If your answer is you, then explain what crimes you’ve committed that’s worse than killing millions of people.

 

Q4)  Who is the bigger sinner, YOU or the God of the Bible?  If your answer is you, then explain what you've done that's worse than killing millions of people.

 

So far, no Christian has been willing to take this quiz!

 

 

Biblical Atrocities Links
 
Here are links to extensive lists of things in the Bible that most of you never knew existed, since the church is only willing to quote a small percentage of the Bible to you.  And that’s because if they quoted the rest, they know they wouldn't be able to keep you any longer.

On Infidels.org


Bible Atrocities - A long list of horrendous atrocities, sanctioned and approved by God, which make the atrocities in Spielberg's "Schindler's List" look like Disneyland.

Bible Vulgarities & Obscenities - These, well I hope you have the stomach for these.

About the Holy Bible – One of 19th Century Freethinker Robert Ingersoll's eloquent essays where he comments on Biblical atrocities and comments on them.

 

Others

 

The Thinking Atheist – Bible Atrocities

http://www.thethinkingatheist.com/page/bible-atrocities

 

The Dark Bible: Atrocities

http://nobeliefs.com/DarkBible/darkbible3.htm

 

Cruelty and Violence in the Bible – The Skeptic’s Annotated Bible

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/long.html

 

10 Biblical Atrocities That Go Overlooked – Secular News Daily

http://www.secularnewsdaily.com/2011/02/11/10-biblical-atrocities-that-go-overlooked-part-1/

 





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