i guess you are talking about
misdirection and showmanship
cause apart from those 2, uri geller doesnt have any powers
here is a magician reproducing ALL of uri geller tricks
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/user/lovasip#p/u/3/9mtprdOP_3A[/youtube]
Hal Puthoff and Russell Targ talk about Uri Geller's powersHal Puthoff and Russell Targ talk about Uri Geller's powers“Devotion to the truth is the hallmark of morality; there is no greater, nobler, more heroic form of devotion than the act of a man who assumes the responsibility of thinking.” - Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged
Re: Hal Puthoff and Russell Targ talk about Uri Geller's powersi guess you are talking about
misdirection and showmanship cause apart from those 2, uri geller doesnt have any powers here is a magician reproducing ALL of uri geller tricks [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/user/lovasip#p/u/3/9mtprdOP_3A[/youtube] For every person who reads this valuable book there are hundreds of naïve souls who would prefer to have their spines tingled by a sensational but worthless potboiler by some hack journalist of the paranormal. You who now read these sentences join a small but wiser minority. Martin Gaardner (Psychology of the Psychic)
Re: Hal Puthoff and Russell Targ talk about Uri Geller's powersIn 1973, Carson had a legendary run-in with popular psychic Uri Geller when he invited Geller to appear on his show. Carson, an experienced stage magician, wanted a neutral demonstration of Geller's alleged abilities, so, at the advice of his friend and fellow magician James Randi, he gave Geller several spoons out of his desk drawer and asked him to bend them with his psychic powers. Geller proved unable, and his appearance on The Tonight Show has since been regarded as the beginning of Geller's fall from glory. Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_C...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNKmhv9uoiQ What surprises me most about the people that think Geller has special powers is this. In all that time he's not once made any attempt to find an explanation for this ability. Has never bent a portion of the spoon that would be more difficult such as the bowl of the spoon bent inside out or the short axis of the handle bent. In all demonstrations the spoons have been bent along the long axis the weakest part. Those facts seem to escape the eye witnesses. As for Targ and Puthoff they are credulous of Geller and bias in there own studies.
Re: Hal Puthoff and Russell Targ talk about Uri Geller's powersUri Gellar has been scientifically tested, and it has been
demonstrated conclusively in these experiments that he did indeed mentally bend spoons, read minds etc The later demonstration of his powers may or may not be genuine, it is possible Uri Geller felt in order to preserve his fame, he needed to cheat a bit. However, there is no conclusive proof he has ever cheated. The Tonight show was not a demonstration of inability, but a demonstration of a reluctance to show ability. Understandly so, because Uri Geller was staged by Randi and the host, and if he was a real psychic he would have picked that up, interfering with his abilty. In so called exposures of showing him cheating by pre-bending, none of this is apparent from watching the video itself. In the scientific tests the bent objects were later examined scientifically and it was shown that no motor force was used to bend the objects.
Re: Hal Puthoff and Russell Targ talk about Uri Geller's powersReally,
If you are going to think critically about this, you should be able to separate Uri Geller as a test subject by scientists like Pulthoff and Targ, and Uri Geller as a TV celeb demonstrating things on show. It is possible, as I said that Uri Geller does cheat to preserve his star, but as far the scientific experiments go, the controls were vigorous and several experiments were conducted which were able to rule out basic things like magic tricks to sophisticated international intelligence scams. The spoons were examined by sophisticated microscopes to show evidence of any force being applied on them. There was no evidence, on the contrary evidence showed that the spoons melted at a molecular level. You seem to have faith in science and its vigorous scientific method, but your faith seems to vanish with these experiments on Uri Geller. Can you explain this inconsistency? Regarding the so-called debunkling of Uri Geller. Nothing of the sort has been done, all Randi has done is showed how similar feats Geller does can be done using magic tricks such as concealed magnets(compass effect), concealed mirrors(mind reading) and pre-bending of spoons and keys. This does not in fact prove that is how Geller did it, and nor are Randi suggested reproductions of the same quality as Geller does them. For instance, in the compass effect Randi accuses him of using a concealed magnet in a thump tip. The only proof that this happened is speculation of an unusual hand gesture he does. Randi demonstration shows a little magnet attached to the edge of his palm can replicate the effect. However, Randi puts his palm very close to the compass, whereas Geller has his palm about 20cm above the compass, which would mean the magnet would not have enough field strength to affect the compass. Secondly, the compass moves immediately when Randi puts his palm over it, because that is exactly how it would behave if a magnet is placed above it. In contrast, in Gellers demonstration there is a delay before the compasss moves, which is impossible if there was indeed a magnet over it. I am not going to rule out trickery though. It is still possible, because in the end all I am seeing is a TV demonstration, which has little to no controls. I only accept controlled scientific experiments as conclusive. Last edited by Indigo Child on 15 Jun 2010, 02:46, edited 1 time in total.
Re: Hal Puthoff and Russell Targ talk about Uri Geller's powersScimitars were not available - beware January 19, 2038 is upon us.
Re: Hal Puthoff and Russell Targ talk about Uri Geller's powersProgwag and Really,
Watch these scientifically controlled experiments by SRI: viewtopic.php?f=16&t=1225 It is clear the controls were rigorous, and Uri Geller succeeded to demonstrate his abilities under these conditions.Most of the experiments done on him were double blind and involved meticulous data collection methods and sophisticated analysis. Why would Geller want to submit himself to the tests of some amateuer, atheist and hate organization like JREF, when he is already succeeded at the tests of professional scientists at one of the most prestigious scientific institutes in the world. Randi has no credentials, sorry.
Re: Hal Puthoff and Russell Targ talk about Uri Geller's powersI am going to return you your F grade for your ridiculous counter explanation for the hidden
object experiments. You said any magician would be able to detect the micro movement of the steel ball when the experimenter picked one out? That kind of magical hypersensitivity you claim magicians have is a claim in it own right? Do you have proof of the magicans who have done this? Are you making it up? I watched the video again, and at no single instance, did the experimenter disturb the other cans when eliminating a can Geller told him to. Geller is barely even looking at the cans when the experimenter removes it. Moreover, the hidden object experiment was also done with water in the can, and a permenant magnet. Geller still succeeded. Stop spouting nonsense about the controls not being sufficient. This was a double blind experiment, the object was hidden and then randomized by a randomizer. None of the experiments knew where the ball was. They attempted the experiments with various different target objects. Finally, I find it interesting how you have failed to explain the other experiments. In the hidden drawing experiment, 15 different drawing were placed inside a safe in a double sealed opaque envelope of which none of the researchers knew the code, and required signatures from both researchers to get it opened. Geller got everysingle one right (his off target one, was very similar as well). Some of these were double blind. In the double blind die experiment, a die inside a metal box die, both provided by SRI is shaken inside, nobody knowing which face the dice is showing. Geller gets it right 8/8 for a probability score of 1 in a million. It cannot get anymore controlled than this. In the first PK experiment with the electric scales and 1g weight. The controls applied were covering the scales with an alumnium can, then covering that with a glass cylinder to eliminate air currents. Then artefacts readings were taken of various stimuli such tapping the glass cylinder, tapping the table, kicking the table, jumping up and down, a day long recording with bringing in static eletricity dishcharge and with magnets. The results show that Geller produces completely different artefacts and was able to increase and decrease the weight on the scales. He did not at any point touch the jar. In the second PK experiment with the magnometer, Geller was able to produce a magnetic field comparable to that of the Earth's magnetic field. In the unconfirmed PK experiments of spoon and ring bending, the controls applied were mirros above and below his hands and filming from every angle. The ring was manufactured at SRI and was measured to require 150lb force to bend it. The controls were very rigorous and professional, in front of which Randi's experiments are amateuer.
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