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Re: Locked Sagan Thread

Postby Kevin Kane » 22 Mar 2010, 14:12

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Re: Locked Sagan Thread

Postby Nostradamus » 22 Mar 2010, 20:40

It was very simple to show you lied Kevin. And showing that you post lies is hardly a side distraction. That is what happens. You post a lie and others say you lied. Post something of value and others say you posted something of value. But you lied - again!
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Re: Locked Sagan Thread

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Re: Locked Sagan Thread

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Re: Locked Sagan Thread

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Re: Locked Sagan Thread

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Re: Locked Sagan Thread

Postby Nostradamus » 23 Mar 2010, 00:27

Amazing Kevin you admitted that what you wrote was an out and out lie. You are coming along. It's going to be a long road to becoming truthful, but you can do it one step at a time.
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Re: Locked Sagan Thread

Postby Kevin Kane » 23 Mar 2010, 00:38

If I wanted to be misleading, why would I post a link that could possibly contradict me? What's the point of C+Ping the entire article when I can just post a link. The intent was to give a brief general description. All evidence indicates that's the case. If you think I was deliberately misleading, prove it or be called a slandering liar.
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Re: Locked Sagan Thread

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Re: Locked Sagan Thread

Postby Kevin Kane » 23 Mar 2010, 02:06

The study was confined to a 30 day period of everyone who died of cancer and cancer treatment, beginning at first treatment. The study found 1 in 4 chemo patients died as a direct or indirect consequence of using chemo.

The study indicates chemotherapy contributed to their deaths. Which is the reason why I posted it. Most normal people are capable of understand language, intent and meaning. But skeptics don't.

The larger implication of the study is obvious to most people. The numbers may even be worse, as the study is focused and excludes 4 groups of patients.
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Re: Locked Sagan Thread

Postby Nostradamus » 23 Mar 2010, 02:11

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Re: Locked Sagan Thread

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Re: Locked Sagan Thread

Postby Nostradamus » 23 Mar 2010, 02:24

Weaseling, weaseling weaseling. That is not what the report said. I know it and you know it, too.
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Re: Locked Sagan Thread

Postby ProfWag » 23 Mar 2010, 02:52

Aside from Kevin, Nostradamus, and myself, what is your opinion?
Here is what Kevin said on page 10:
"1 in 4 cancer treatment deaths are caused or sped up by chemo:"

Here are the first 3 paragraphs of the article Kevin referenced:

"A new study has raised serious questions about the use of chemotherapy for late-stage cancer patients.
The review of 600 cancer patients in Britain who died within 30 days of treatment has found that one in four of the deaths was either caused or hastened by the chemotherapy.
Chemotherapy is a standard treatment for cancer but the study questions whether seriously ill patients can cope with it."

Did Kevin lie, attempt to deceive or was he being honest and truthful?
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Re: Locked Sagan Thread

Postby Kevin Kane » 23 Mar 2010, 04:26

The study was done by NCEPOD, the National Confidential Enquiry into Patient Outcome and Death. A professional group that studies healthcare deaths. The chemo study was a 30 day study. No more, no less. 30 is the number of days they studied, and the number of days was 30. 31 days they didn't study, nor did they study for 29 days, excepting that they then proceed to day 30. A 32 day study is right out. Once they reached the 30th day, they reported what they found.
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