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Neuroscientist Dr. Michael Persinger Discovers Telepathy!

Postby Scepcop » 05 Dec 2010, 17:48

Well well, look what we have here. Dr. Michael Persinger, the famous Neuroscientist at Ontario University, an Atheist hailed by skeptics for his "God helmet" experiments as being evidence against NDE's being evidence for an afterlife, has turned the tables on his skeptic admirers by announcing that he has now discovered a proven telepathic link in his experiments with test subjects connected by magnetic fields. See his interview and lecture below.

http://www.skeptiko.com/michael-persing ... thic-link/

Neuroscience Researcher and Laurentian University professor, Dr. Michael Persinger, demonstrates telepathy under laboratory conditions.

Claims of telepathy, ESP and other psi phenomena are a mainstay of popular culture but taboo in neuroscience research circles. Fortunately, Dr. Michael Persinger of Canada’s Laurentian University has never been afraid to venture where other researchers fear to go. In the 1980′s Persinger made headlines with his “God Helmet”, a device that stimulates temporal lobes with a weak magnetic field in order to produce religious states.

Now, Persinger has discovered the same type of brain stimulation can create metal states conducive to human telepathy. “What we have found is that if you place two different people at a distance and put a circular magnetic field around both, and you make sure they are connected to the same computer so they get the same stimulation, then if you flash a light in one person’s eye the person in the other room receiving just the magnetic field will show changes in their brain as if they saw the flash of light. We think that’s tremendous because it may be the first macro demonstration of a quantum connection, or so-called quantum entanglement. If true, then there’s another way of potential communication that may have physical applications, for example, in space travel.”

While Persinger’s experiments could prove groundbreaking, he remains doubtful about his controversial findings reaching his colleagues, “I think the critical thing about science is to be open-minded. It’s really important to realize that the true subject matter of science is the pursuit of the unknown. Sadly scientists have become extraordinarily group-oriented. Our most typical critics are not are mystic believer types. They are scientists who have a narrow vision of what the world is like.”

Listen to the interview at:
http://www.skeptiko.com/michael-persing ... thic-link/

Download the interview at:
http://www.skeptiko.com/upload/skeptiko ... singer.mp3

Here is another article about Persinger's discovery and lecture video:

http://www.dailygrail.com/Mind-Mysterie ... -Telepathy

Michael Persinger: 'No More Secrets' with Telepathy
Posted by Greg at 02:53, 17 May 2011

Dr Michael Persinger of Laurentian University quickly became the science darling of skeptics and atheists a decade ago with news of his 'God Helmet', which appeared to show that 'sensed presence' of supernatural entities (and/or 'God') may be simply due to magnetic disturbance of the brain. Since then however, Persinger has not made himself an overly attractive science reference for skeptics as he has been involved with, and claims to have achieved positive results in, experimental parapsychology.

Earlier this year, Persinger gave the following lecture, titled "No More Secrets". In it, he detailed his theories on the connection between magnetic fields and the brain, in particular how this relationship could facilitate telepathy and remote viewing. He notes particular experiments and individuals (Ingo Swann, Sean Harribance) that seem to give evidence supporting his theories, and makes some fairly extraordinary claims which I'm sure will lead to some debate.

I had never seen Persinger lecture before - he's a great presenter, and with his usual suit and pocket watch, and precise mannerisms, makes for a fair caricature of an eccentric scientist. Whether you agree or disagree with his theories and evidence, it's still worth a watch just for some of the oblique insights that he has (e.g. when discussing the minuteness of fields involved, "don't think of 'bigness' as being important, it's the pattern that is important"). A worthy time investment for any science fiction writer...

The lecture is around 36 minutes long, and is followed by almost 20 minutes of questions and answers. The title of the lecture emerges from the extrapolation of telepathy as a barely understood phenomenon, to a talent that all humans could use to know what was in any other person's brain. What would it be like if there were 'No More Secrets'?

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Re: Michael Persinger Discovers Telepathy Link in Lab Experi

Postby Arouet » 05 Dec 2010, 17:54

Old news, but yes, pretty interesting. I like Persinger's work. He looks into these things and is actually looking for mechanisms. Though he's not a Sheldrake or a Radin. He takes a natural approach to these things, not a psi approach.
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Re: Michael Persinger Discovers Telepathy Link in Lab Experi

Postby Scepcop » 06 Dec 2010, 09:03

I was shocked by this news though. I thought Persinger was one of those "there is no evidence for anything paranormal" types like Shermer and Randi? So he isn't one of them? In past documentaries he seemed like a closed minded skeptic who would only accept reductionist explanations for everything.
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Re: Michael Persinger Discovers Telepathy Link in Lab Experi

Postby Arouet » 06 Dec 2010, 09:13

He's not closed minded, he looks into these things, but I don't think he thinks there's anything magical going on. Take a look at his God helmet for example, which shermer tried on as did Dawkins.

You don't really understand Shermer so you think he's closed-minded.
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Re: Michael Persinger Discovers Telepathy Link in Lab Experi

Postby Arouet » 06 Dec 2010, 09:18

For that matter, I'm not sure if you understand what's going on in this experiment. It's not telepathy as you imagine it.
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Re: Michael Persinger Discovers Telepathy Link in Lab Experi

Postby Scepcop » 06 Dec 2010, 10:12

Everyone claims to not be closed minded. But the fact is that they have rigid belief systems that REJECT new info that doesn't fit into it. Shermer is no exception. He advocates one side and dismisses another and rejects data all the time. I've seen him do it on TV. Shermer is easy to understand - endorse the official explanation and mundane reductionist explanation for eveything, and reject everything outside of it. Nothing special about that.

Persinger sounded closed minded cause he said that his "God Helmet" showed that all NDE's and OBE's were caused by the brain only. He didn't consider the data that didn't support that, such as the research compiled by Dr. Jeffrey Long.

Arouet, you are all talk and denial, as usual.

Facts are facts. Stop obfuscating them.

If Persinger wasn't talking about telepathy, then what was he talking about? Some people do have a connection to each other that distance doesn't block. That is true. Twins or lovers often have this type of connection. No mundane explanation can explain it. End of story.
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Re: Michael Persinger Discovers Telepathy Link in Lab Experi

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Re: Michael Persinger Discovers Telepathy Link in Lab Experi

Postby Arouet » 06 Dec 2010, 11:38

Here, use mine!

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Re: Michael Persinger Discovers Telepathy Link in Lab Experi

Postby Scepcop » 08 Feb 2012, 21:55

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Re: Dr. Michael Persinger Discovers Telepathy in Lab Experim

Postby ProfWag » 09 Feb 2012, 00:22

I know that Persinger has done some very interesting stuff. I've tried desparately, however, to find his published report on his findings and haven't found anything yet. Winston, any idea where I could find that?
Also, I'm curious as to why you equate being an atheist with not believing in ESP? As far as I know, the two are totally unrelated.
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Re: Dr. Michael Persinger Discovers Telepathy in Lab Experim

Postby Arouet » 09 Feb 2012, 01:31

Some persinger stuff has been linked on the Skeptiko site. his writing is terrible though, in the sense that he writes purely for an academic audience and makes very little effort, imo, to pander to the lay person.

Scepcop: you know that the experiment you're referring to is not thoughts being broadcast and received, right? It's interesting, certainly, but its not telepathy like we think about it when we refer to the term.

I like persinger's approach to these issues though. He's trying to actually identify mechanisms. And he's contributing to our understanding of how our bodies react to the environment: such as by geomagnetic fields.
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Re: Dr. Michael Persinger Announces Telepathy as a Proven Fa

Postby Scepcop » 09 Feb 2012, 04:18

Dr. Rupert Sheldrake, a distinguished biologist and author, has also conducted noteworthy telepathy experiments that have confirmed the existence of ESP. In his books, such as "Dogs That Know When Their Owners Are Coming Home" and "The Sense of Being Stared At", he has documented telepathic experiments involving animals knowing in advance when their owners were coming home, and humans who were able to demonstrate consistent above chance that they could sense when they were being stared at. His findings were so airtight and irrefutable in fact, that arch debunker James Randi could do nothing but use cheap ad hominem attacks on him and his research.

Dr. Sheldrake believes that a “morphic resonance field” exists between humans and animals, which account for the existence of telepathy. You can learn more about Dr. Sheldrake’s research and books on his website at:

http://www.sheldrake.org
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Re: Dr. Michael Persinger Discovers Telepathy in Lab Experim

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Re: Dr. Michael Persinger Discovers Telepathy in Lab Experim

Postby Scepcop » 09 Feb 2012, 04:44

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Re: Dr. Michael Persinger Announces Telepathy as Proven Fact

Postby Scepcop » 09 Feb 2012, 04:48

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