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Re: Prove to me ESP exists

Postby craig weiler » 04 Sep 2011, 22:11

Profwag,

I hate to keep pointing this out to skeptics because I don't want to be insulting, but this is terribly one sided skepticism to the point that it is not really skepticism at all.

When faced with a mountain of positive evidence on the one hand and a 20 year old report on the other, that used Ray Hyman, a die hard skeptic and member of CSICOP, a pseudo-skeptical organization, to report on the psychic evidence and therefore taint it with heavy bias, you are going with the 20 year old heavily biased report.

If you are not skeptical of the skeptics and do not hold them to the same standards, you have greatly diminished the value of your opinions on this subject. You can't claim that skeptics aren't biased because there is all kinds of evidence that they are.
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Re: Prove to me ESP exists

Postby Craig Browning » 04 Sep 2011, 23:20

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Re: Prove to me ESP exists

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Re: Prove to me ESP exists

Postby ProfWag » 05 Sep 2011, 19:42

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Re: Prove to me ESP exists

Postby craig weiler » 06 Sep 2011, 00:56

Uh, whatever.
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Re: Prove to me ESP exists

Postby _Ice_Ages_14_Aces_ » 06 Sep 2011, 07:39

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Re: Prove to me ESP exists

Postby Craig Browning » 07 Sep 2011, 02:23

I so long for the day when "educated" people stop trying to sound intelligent and learn to speak in simple "human" terms :roll:

32% hit rate on most anything, but especially a study on Psychic type ability, STINKS! I have Cold Reading students that hold to a 65-75% hit rate, some of the more advanced student carry a solid 80-85% ratio. Based on that alone I'd say something is "off" and I haven't a clue what all this particular experimentation is about, I just saw these numbers and associated Geekenese talk while passing through. . . :twisted:
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Re: Prove to me ESP exists

Postby Arouet » 07 Sep 2011, 03:37

Remember 32% doesn't mean 32% attributed to psi. It's 7% attributed to psi. And could be less than that because one rarely gets exactly 25% on a relatively small set of trials.
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Re: Prove to me ESP exists

Postby craig weiler » 07 Sep 2011, 03:38

:lol: Ice Age was delivering the statistical equivalent of a smackdown followed by a body slam to profwag, with a chair over the head thrown in for good measure.

Basically, the accumulation of evidence for the ganzfeld is almost overwhelming and all the statistical nitpicking is nonsense.
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Re: Prove to me ESP exists

Postby Arouet » 07 Sep 2011, 03:41

I guess that's the answer then...glad we resolved it. Nothing to see here.
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