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Re: Hal Puthoff and Russell Targ talk about Uri Geller's powers

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Re: Hal Puthoff and Russell Targ talk about Uri Geller's powers

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Re: Hal Puthoff and Russell Targ talk about Uri Geller's powers

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Re: Hal Puthoff and Russell Targ talk about Uri Geller's powers

Postby ProfWag » 18 Jun 2010, 00:14

I agree for the most part Indigo. So if you would like a mature debate, don't use words such as "conclusive evidence" when, if fact, it is not conclusive. Submit the evidence and let's discuss the evidence. However, when I see the words "conclusive" pertaining to anything paranormal in the same sentence, I'm going to take notice.

And, if I may add, it should be incredibly wrong for just skeptics to question the words "conclusive" and something "paranormal" in the same sentence. Believers should know better as well and if they don't know that, then please don't blame us skeptics. Educate them properly.
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Re: Hal Puthoff and Russell Targ talk about Uri Geller's powers

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Re: Hal Puthoff and Russell Targ talk about Uri Geller's powers

Postby Indigo Child » 18 Jun 2010, 05:27

Here is why the explanation does not work.

* The Neodymium magnet produces a a magnetic field 3000 times greater than the Earth magnetic field.
Geller results were only comparable to the earth magnetic field
* The magnometer would have detected the hidden magnets and showed it right away. However, there is
a delay before the magnetic field is generated. His hands are empty and his shirts sleeves rolled up.
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Re: Hal Puthoff and Russell Targ talk about Uri Geller's powers

Postby Indigo Child » 18 Jun 2010, 05:42

The report directly from the researchers themselves on the experiments:

Magnometer experiment:

"In another experiment Geller attempted to influence a magnetometer, either directly or by generating a magnetic field. The full-scale sensitivity of the instrument was 0.3 gauss. Throughout the experiment Geller's hand did not come into contact with the instrument. The magnetometer itself was used as a probe to go over his hands and person to make sure that there were no magnetic objects in his hands or on him.
Geller had no apparent difficulty in influencing the magnetometer. He caused fluctuations - almost full-scale in certain cases - whose direction was uncorrelated with the motion of his hands. He was very interested in the experiments we were doing because he had never taken part in laboratory work of this kind before. "

The hidden object can experiment:

"After repetition of this experiment several times, using different objects, Geller was finally able to walk into the room, look at the cans lined up on the table, and just pick up the one that contained the target. "

Source: http://www.urigeller.com/books/geller-papers/g5.htm

All skeptic explanations so far are therefore null and void.
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Re: Hal Puthoff and Russell Targ talk about Uri Geller's powers

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Re: Hal Puthoff and Russell Targ talk about Uri Geller's powers

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Re: Hal Puthoff and Russell Targ talk about Uri Geller's powers

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Re: Hal Puthoff and Russell Targ talk about Uri Geller's powers

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Re: Hal Puthoff and Russell Targ talk about Uri Geller's powers

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Re: Hal Puthoff and Russell Targ talk about Uri Geller's powers

Postby Indigo Child » 19 Jun 2010, 00:00

I don't care about your opinion, because your opinion is unfalsifiable.. Do you actually have evidence that is he cheating or using misdirection?
Do you have a counter-hypothesis for each of the demonstrations Geller did: hidden object experiments, double blind die experiment, magnometer
experiment and the electric scales experiment, and the ring bending(150lb force required)

I don't care what Geller has done and said in 40 year career. We are looking at these SRI experiments in this thread, not his entire life story.

You've lost this debate because you have failed to rebut the evidence in the SRI experiments. It has therefore been proven that Gelller did
indeed demonstrate his powers. Case closed.
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Re: Hal Puthoff and Russell Targ talk about Uri Geller's powers

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