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Re: Hal Puthoff and Russell Targ talk about Uri Geller's powers

Postby Indigo Child » 16 Jun 2010, 12:20

Prowag,

The controls were not set up by URI, but by professional scientists at SRI.

You statements that the controls should have been set up by a magician is actually
funny. Since, when are magicians qualified research scientists and required to be
present in every experiment a scientist conducts? :lol:

You are making magicians sound like all-powerful tricksters who can deceive even
under scientific conditions. What rubbish. Magicians require props, stooges, misdirection,
prepared objects, stages and curtains to hide things. There is not a single magic trick you could
show me that I could not explain.

There is no magic show here. Geller has no props, stooges, prepared objects, curtains to
hide things or any fancy routine to misdirect people. He is a test subject, submitting to the
test procedures of professional scientists, and has brought nothing but himself along.

You have failed to explain how Geller could have achieved his results through any kind of trickey.
Rather than you picking an experiment to dissect, I will pick one for you to dissect. The double
blind die experiment. The die is inside the metal box, it is shaken in front of everybody, nobody
in the room knows what face is showing up in the box. Geller is able to tell the number 8/8 times.



You could have filled that room with magicians from all the world, even the amazing Randi himself, and
nobody would have been able to know what the number on the die was.
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Re: Hal Puthoff and Russell Targ talk about Uri Geller's powers

Postby really? » 16 Jun 2010, 19:43

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Re: Hal Puthoff and Russell Targ talk about Uri Geller's powers

Postby ProfWag » 16 Jun 2010, 21:23

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Re: Hal Puthoff and Russell Targ talk about Uri Geller's powers

Postby Indigo Child » 16 Jun 2010, 22:44

I am going to remind both of you Prowag and really where you are:
SCEPCOP forum. This forum disapproves of pseudoskepticism, which
is what you are folks are indulging in here, and other places on this forum.

What we want here is intelligent and critical discussion on the paranormal,
not people to come here to preach anti-paranormal fundamentalist ideologies to us.
If you do not believe in the paranormal or even the possibility of the paranormal,
you should not be here. Period.

You are beginning with an assumption here that URI Gellers demonstration
of his ability is a "magic trick" And then try to look for trickey, and when you
don't find or any counter explanation, you beg the question by saying, "I am not
going to reveal the magic trick"

I am done debating with you guys, as you refuse to take on board any evidence,
anybodies point that support the paranormal and critically engage with them, but
rather you are here to preach your beliefs to us. You should not be at this forum.
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Re: Hal Puthoff and Russell Targ talk about Uri Geller's powers

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Re: Hal Puthoff and Russell Targ talk about Uri Geller's powers

Postby ProfWag » 16 Jun 2010, 23:37

Look Indigo Child, proving the existance of ESP, TK, life-after-death, and a myriad of other paranormal claims could very well be the most important discovery in the history of mankind. By simply believing whatever somebody writes without seriously questioning its authenticity is totally irresponsible. If you want to call me a "pseudoskeptic" because I don't believe in the paranormal and that I ask for, and demand, unquestionable proof of its existance, then fine, call me whatever you wish. My stance will remain that by not demanding the tightest controls for extremely important experiments is uncalled for, wrong, illogical, and, as mentioned, irresponsible.
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