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Who funds the skeptic groups JREF, CSICOP, Michael Shermer?

Postby Scepcop » 10 Dec 2012, 17:27

Where do organized pseudoskeptic groups like JREF, CSICOP and Michael Shermer get their funding from? Is it revealed on their websites? I can't imagine it all comes from donations. Something in the establishment that needs a propagandist posing as a "skeptic" must be funding them right? Otherwise, why else would they always defend the establishment view?

They appear to have a vested interest. Why are they only skeptical of anything that opposes authority, while NEVER skeptical of anything the establishment says but taking it all on faith? That doesn't make sense. This has nothing to do with skepticism, which means to question things rather than take them on faith.

Pyrrho, the founder of "Skepticism", intended for it to be about open inquiry and suspension of judgment.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skeptic
"In classical philosophy, skepticism refers to the teachings and the traits of the 'Skeptikoi', a school of philosophers of whom it was said that they 'asserted nothing but only opined.' (Liddell and Scott) In this sense, philosophical skepticism, or Pyrrhonism, is the philosophical position that one should suspend judgment in investigations.[1]"

And according to Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, a skeptic is:

"One who is yet undecided as to what is true; one who is looking or inquiring for what is true; an inquirer after facts or reasons."

Kevin Ryan, a 9/11 truther who was fired when he blew the whistle on NIST using fraudulent methods in their testing, debated Michael Shermer and realized the same thing. He writes in his blog about Shermer's behavior during their debate:

http://digwithin.net/2011/09/25/skeptic ... ving-brain

"Additionally, my opponent’s performance showed that he is not what most people would call a skeptic, at least not in matters that are important to people. I had suspected this myself, and had to check the definition of skepticism to be sure. What I found was that skepticism is about questioning claims that are generally accepted, or are given by supposedly authoritative sources. Skeptics are not people who simply take contradictory positions without regard for evidence, however, and after rational discussion skeptics usually agree with the case that best fits the evidence.
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My opponent was clearly not skeptical of any of the claims made by the only authoritative source on the topic, the U.S. government. He had no response when I asked how each and every member of the U.S. chain of command could have been indisposed for just those two hours on September 11th, or how al Qaeda could have been behind the effective stand-down of the nation’s air defenses during that time. He could not say why the 9/11 Commission left so many of the most important facts out of their report, or what it meant for US government scientists to finally admit that they could not explain the “collapse” of the Twin Towers. His final plea was that we just accept that al Qaeda did it because they said they did it, and we should take them at their word.

This strange approach to skepticism is a good example of the growing attempt by some government and corporate media representatives (Shermer also works for FOX TV) to convince us to believe the opposite of what we see and hear. We’re told that the best way to stop terrorism is to start endless wars in the Middle East, and the best way to protect our freedoms is to give up our freedoms. We’re also led to believe, paradoxically, that anyone who questions the government’s conspiracy theory is a “conspiracy theorist”.
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It is only on this absurd playing field that we can possibly accept Michael Shermer as an exemplary skeptic. His Skeptics Society is not skeptical of authoritative claims that affect the lives of average people, like 9/11 or electronic voting machines or corporate media consolidation. Instead, Shermer and his group are skeptical of random non-authoritative claims, like those about UFOs, or the belief in God. It seems possible that his skepticism has more to do with supporting business interests than it has to do with reason."
“Devotion to the truth is the hallmark of morality; there is no greater, nobler, more heroic form of devotion than the act of a man who assumes the responsibility of thinking.” - Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged
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Re: Who funds the skeptic groups JREF, CSICOP, Michael Sherm

Postby Arouet » 10 Dec 2012, 18:49

These are non profits with publicly available financials. You can look them up.
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Re: Who funds the skeptic groups JREF, CSICOP, Michael Sherm

Postby really? » 10 Dec 2012, 22:13

Knowing his track record ( distrusting authoritative source he doesn't agree with ) and actually finding the truth of a matter wouldn't work for him. But perhaps he will look up their public records and surprise us.
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Re: Who funds the skeptic groups JREF, CSICOP, Michael Sherm

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Re: Who funds the skeptic groups JREF, CSICOP, Michael Sherm

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Re: Who funds the skeptic groups JREF, CSICOP, Michael Sherm

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Re: Who funds the skeptic groups JREF, CSICOP, Michael Sherm

Postby Scepcop » 15 Dec 2012, 04:38

“Devotion to the truth is the hallmark of morality; there is no greater, nobler, more heroic form of devotion than the act of a man who assumes the responsibility of thinking.” - Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged
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Re: Who funds the skeptic groups JREF, CSICOP, Michael Sherm

Postby ProfWag » 15 Dec 2012, 05:30

Winston, what do YOU believe happened on 9/11?
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Re: Who funds the skeptic groups JREF, CSICOP, Michael Sherm

Postby Arouet » 15 Dec 2012, 05:33

There's no internal contradiction since your entire post is a strawman - but I'm not going to waste the time going over it line by line because I've done so multiple times in the past and you've never even acknowledged the posts.
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Re: Who funds the skeptic groups JREF, CSICOP, Michael Sherm

Postby Scepcop » 18 Dec 2012, 10:10

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Re: Who funds the skeptic groups JREF, CSICOP, Michael Sherm

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