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Postby RarelyImpressed » 21 Sep 2009, 14:04

Excerpt from a January 2008 item in the UK's The Daily Mail newspaper:


In 1995, the US Congress asked two independent scientists to assess whether the $20 million that the government had spent on psychic research had produced anything of value. And the conclusions proved to be somewhat unexpected.

Professor Jessica Utts, a statistician from the University of California, discovered that remote viewers were correct 34 per cent of the time, a figure way beyond what chance guessing would allow.

She says: "Using the standards applied to any other area of science, you have to conclude that certain psychic phenomena, such as remote viewing, have been well established.

"The results are not due to chance or flaws in the experiments."

Of course, this doesn't wash with sceptical scientists.

Professor Richard Wiseman, a psychologist at the University of Hertfordshire, refuses to believe in remote viewing.

He says: "I agree that by the standards of any other area of science that remote viewing is proven, but begs the question: do we need higher standards of evidence when we study the paranormal? I think we do.

"If I said that there is a red car outside my house, you would probably believe me.

"But if I said that a UFO had just landed, you'd probably want a lot more evidence.

"Because remote viewing is such an outlandish claim that will revolutionise the world, we need overwhelming evidence before we draw any conclusions. Right now we don't have that evidence."


Thus, a prominent skeptic agrees that (1) the study of remote viewing is an area of science, which should thoroughly obviate the skeptical epithet of "pseudoscience" once and for all. And (2) that when judged against prevailing scientific standards for evaluating evidence, he agrees that remote viewing is proven. The follow-on argument that this phenomenon is so unusual that it requires more evidence refers not to evidence per se, or even to scientific methods or practice, but to assumptions about the fabric of reality.

I agree that remote viewing would be difficult to explain using 17th century ontology, which from today's perspective would be a naive, classical physics view of reality. But I suspect it will be explained through 21st century expansions of those assumptions
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Re: Skeptic agrees that Remote Viewing is Proven

Postby ProfessorX » 22 Sep 2009, 05:04

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Re: Skeptic agrees that Remote Viewing is Proven

Postby Eteponge » 22 Sep 2009, 07:07

"I think Eteponge's Blog is a pretty cool guy. eh debates Skeptics and doesnt afraid of anything."
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Re: Skeptic agrees that Remote Viewing is Proven

Postby Purple Scissor » 22 Sep 2009, 10:30

There is really something to be said for "extraordinary claims require..." What Wiseman should have explained is just why RV is so extraordinary. What factor, exactly, makes if so inherently amazing? If he could quantify that, then there could be an experiment which could meet his requirements. As it is, he is subjecting science to his own internal feeling.

Of course, there is no factor which makes it inherently amazing. Not when compared to other things science accepts. Am I right?
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Re: Skeptic agrees that Remote Viewing is Proven

Postby Eteponge » 22 Sep 2009, 16:40

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Re: Skeptic agrees that Remote Viewing is Proven

Postby quantumparanormal » 23 Sep 2009, 04:47

I posted a similar topic a while back on this. Here's my latest take, something I had to write in order for certain people to "get it:"

In other words, we "need" a "new" science when dealing with and testing phenomena such as remote viewing, not the ones we use for everything else (i.e.,medicine, biology, psychology, etc.), which is biased, but that's essentially what he said; and that if we were to employ this "new" science, remote viewing would most likely be disconfirmed/disproven, but until this "new" science is employed, remote viewing has been proven by the "current" science.

In other words, according to Wiseman, promissory materialism will prove him correct (i.e., that remote viewing is "false"), some day. :lol:

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Re: Skeptic agrees that Remote Viewing is Proven

Postby ciscop » 24 Sep 2009, 01:00

For every person who reads this valuable book there are hundreds of naïve souls who would prefer to have their spines tingled by a sensational but worthless potboiler by some hack journalist of the paranormal. You who now read these sentences join a small but wiser minority. Martin Gaardner (Psychology of the Psychic)
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Re: Skeptic agrees that Remote Viewing is Proven

Postby quantumparanormal » 24 Sep 2009, 01:02

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Re: Skeptic agrees that Remote Viewing is Proven

Postby ciscop » 24 Sep 2009, 01:13

hahahaha
i find it more embarassing if my hero was a quack that believes in enhaced chocolate and chamans sending healing thoughts thru space and time!
is that dumb or what?
nah.. his followers are even dumber for trusting anything he says

Can Psi just be a belief quantum?
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Re: Skeptic agrees that Remote Viewing is Proven

Postby quantumparanormal » 24 Sep 2009, 01:28

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Re: Skeptic agrees that Remote Viewing is Proven

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