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Re: Anti-survival/pro-ESP book of 1965

Postby Alexander1304 » 20 Dec 2012, 01:01

Ok,let me know what you think then,when you read enough.
Ironically, I tried to research more about the author/book on Internet, and never found this book cited as support of ESP,even by ESPers
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Re: Anti-survival/pro-ESP book of 1965

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Re: Anti-survival/pro-ESP book of 1965

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Re: Anti-survival/pro-ESP book of 1965

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Re: Anti-survival/pro-ESP book of 1965

Postby NinjaPuppy » 20 Dec 2012, 03:07

In this book I found another interesting read: "The Watseka Wonder; A Startling and Instructive Psychological Study, and well Authenticated Instance of Angelic Visitation". I've never heard of the Watseka Wonder and a psychological study from 1878 interests the heck out of me.

http://archive.org/stream/watsekawonder ... 0/mode/2up
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Re: Anti-survival/pro-ESP book of 1965

Postby Alexander1304 » 20 Dec 2012, 03:39

He starts as been "neutral" but as you continue more and more,you find he becomes more and more anti-survivalist and more pro-ESPer.Ducasse criticized his treatment of Watseka and Butler.Also Almeder,in 1992,found that Dommeyer's explanations are 'ad hoc'
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Re: Anti-survival/pro-ESP book of 1965

Postby NinjaPuppy » 20 Dec 2012, 03:47

I'm finished.

LOVED the Conclusion.
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Re: Anti-survival/pro-ESP book of 1965

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Re: Anti-survival/pro-ESP book of 1965

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Re: Anti-survival/pro-ESP book of 1965

Postby NinjaPuppy » 20 Dec 2012, 03:52

I agree with you that it would be a shame that it's just the two of us discussing this. I'd love to hear a skeptics take as well as others on the materials.
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Re: Anti-survival/pro-ESP book of 1965

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Re: Anti-survival/pro-ESP book of 1965

Postby Alexander1304 » 20 Dec 2012, 04:20

I respect his conclusion,but it is that - HIS opinion.Numerous books on the topic was published since then and addressed these point differently.
For example, he mentioned "intrusion case" in Tamboff,Russia,and he promised to criticize this (and all other) case later - but he didn't return to it. Rather he focused on "how earhlike spirits are in communications" and 'how spirits never provided descriptions of the next world"(doubtful :there are numerous books about at and they are remarkbly similiar). So,he didn't discuss 'drop-in' cases. And when he told that skills can be acquired by medium through ESP - it escaped me. Chris Carter and Scott Rogo made excellent points, that skill are acwuired by the long practice.Where is the evidence that skillare acquired by ESP?
Also,Dommeyer's book is definetely one-sided. Take for example .C.D.Broad "Lectures on Psychic Research" ,Alan Gauld "Mediumship and Survival"(1982) and Stephen Braude "Immortal Remains". They discuss both strengths and weaknesses of both survival and esp hypotheses. Dommeyer NEVER discusses the difficulties ESP hypothese faces - and it does,a lot of them. Did You read Gauld and Braude treatment of the subject?

Also,interesting point - I haven't found Dommeyer's book to be mentioned by any pro-ESP article
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Re: Anti-survival/pro-ESP book of 1965

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Re: Anti-survival/pro-ESP book of 1965

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