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Re: The Bad Side of Woo

Postby Nostradamus » 03 Apr 2010, 23:52

Plate tectonics isn't really a good example. It was the missing global description of geology that was missing. People knew it was missing.

And I do understand that the AIDS issue was a demonstration of the piece of the puzzle and not a single issue of proof.

You did claim loads and loads of proof so I expect that there are pieces of the puzzle available for inspection. If I were to choose plate tectonics demonstrations I could choose from many pieces of evidence.
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Re: The Bad Side of Woo

Postby NucleicAcid » 04 Apr 2010, 00:08

Are you asking for loads and loads of proof,or are you asking for a single experiment?

Generally speaking, science works on loads and loads of proof, because it needs replication. Hence, Entangled Minds. Plus, I know I have linked to ALL sorts of studies in past posts.

For a recap of those, so you can get your Get It Now fix, I suggest Daryl J Bem's website:

This has two really good analyses of the Autoganzfeld database(s) (depending if you consider it all one big thing, or several large chunks)

Again, that's the tip of the iceberg. It's not that I don't have the studies (notice, unlike most Woo guys, I immediately have evidence when prompted for it? It doesn't seem to make a difference half the time though...). It's that there is SO MUCH of it that it's difficult to consolidate.

But I REALLY recommend Entangled Minds if you want the most concise, fact-filled recap of psi research. No use reinventing the wheel.
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Re: The Bad Side of Woo

Postby Nostradamus » 04 Apr 2010, 00:46

I took a quick glance through the GotPsi pdf and it looks to me like there is no proof for psi here. What did I miss?

Almost 30k people tested out assuming that people did not enter multiple times under different names. Yes, it's a larger experiment, but ...
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Re: The Bad Side of Woo

Postby NucleicAcid » 04 Apr 2010, 03:04

Hey, you there. Yes, you.

If what I say sounds like the teacher from Charlie Brown (Wah wahh woohh wuh waah), then you should try college. It's fun, and only costs you your soul and several tens of thousands of dollars. :)

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Re: The Bad Side of Woo

Postby Nostradamus » 04 Apr 2010, 03:42

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Re: The Bad Side of Woo

Postby really? » 04 Apr 2010, 03:49

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Re: The Bad Side of Woo

Postby NucleicAcid » 04 Apr 2010, 05:40

Hey, you there. Yes, you.

If what I say sounds like the teacher from Charlie Brown (Wah wahh woohh wuh waah), then you should try college. It's fun, and only costs you your soul and several tens of thousands of dollars. :)

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Re: The Bad Side of Woo

Postby ciscop » 06 Apr 2010, 02:54

[url]http://www.harvardscience.harvard.edu/culture-society/articles/neuroimaging-fails-demonstrate-esp-real
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there you go

:-)
yet another experiment showing no evidence for esp
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Re: The Bad Side of Woo

Postby NucleicAcid » 06 Apr 2010, 05:09

Hey, you there. Yes, you.

If what I say sounds like the teacher from Charlie Brown (Wah wahh woohh wuh waah), then you should try college. It's fun, and only costs you your soul and several tens of thousands of dollars. :)

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Re: The Bad Side of Woo

Postby ciscop » 06 Apr 2010, 05:19

glad i could help you spreading the studies

same old excuse i seen before
¨they just showed how not to prove for ESP¨

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Re: The Bad Side of Woo

Postby really? » 06 Apr 2010, 05:24

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Re: The Bad Side of Woo

Postby NucleicAcid » 06 Apr 2010, 05:58

I totally will give you that. I wish I could go back in time and punch every fake psychic, and that guy who tampered with RNGs in Rhine's lab. Yes, that would involve lots of punching and some roundhouse kicks (good real-world Isshinryu karate practice XD), but it would be all worth it in the end. :twisted:

:lol:

Realistically, though, I wonder how much it will take to overcome that checkered past? We've come very close many times, it seems like more psi research papers are being published in mainstream journals every year, even if they have to masquerade as "anomalous cognition." I guess time will tell. But I think this next decade will entail a large breakthrough.
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Re: The Bad Side of Woo

Postby ciscop » 06 Apr 2010, 06:12

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Re: The Bad Side of Woo

Postby NucleicAcid » 06 Apr 2010, 09:03

Maybe. Which is why I think personal experience is so important as a contributing factor for belief. I bet if you took two groups of people, people who have had paranormal experiences, and people who have never had paranormal experiences, and gave them a balanced rundown of the information available, you would see that the people who had paranormal experience would be largely, "Wow, I KNEW I wasn't crazy!" and the people who have never had any paranormal experiences go, "...So? Even if it is real, which I doubt, it looks pretty pointless"
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Re: The Bad Side of Woo

Postby ciscop » 06 Apr 2010, 09:39

mm...
i´ll say that personal experiences cant be relied on because memory isnt perfect and perception means everything
so no
personal experiences do not count

science doesnt work that way
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