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JFK 50TH Anniversary

Postby ProfWag » 12 Nov 2013, 08:47

The 50th Anniversary on the JFK Assassination is quickly approaching, yet no new posts on the subject have been posted in a couple months. Anyone care to start or are we all assassinated out...?
Personally, I'd like to say that I've been watching all the shows that have been popping up and I'm more convinced than ever that LHO was the only shooter that day.
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Re: JFK 50TH Anniversary

Postby SydneyPSIder » 12 Nov 2013, 20:16

Thanks for this Prof, I was just about to start a topic.

An Aussie ex-police detective by the name of Colin McLaren has come out with a new book coincidentally timed to the 50th anniversary claiming LHO got 2 very accurate shots off, and a hung over and undertrained secret service man in the car behind JFK accidentally discharged a rifle with frangible ammunition and hit the pres right in the back of the head with an unlucky shot.

That's all very well, except McLaren claims he started writing the book in 2009 and expected it would take 6-12 months out of his life. Strangely it's taken 4 years and coincides exactly with the 50th anniversary of the shooting when people are looking at it again.

Further, his 'new' theory (as the Murdoch newspapers are calling it at least) appears to be an exact copy of a theory put forward in 1992 by another author, where the secret serviceman who was named, George Hickey, ended up suing the publisher for defamation and got a settlement.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortal_Err ... Killed_JFK

Hickey died in 2011 meaning the time was ripe to publish again without lawsuits.

Unfortunately the 1992 theory was flawed and therefore so is the 2013 one. I can see how the usual vested interests would be interested in supporting a whitewashed version of events being promulgated on the 50th anniversary to try to salvage the reputation of govt, the secret service, CIA, etc etc.

For a start, at least 6 bullets were fired that day at the president, and some count up to 11, to cause the injuries that were suffered by JFK and the Texas governor. Here they are:

one shot missed altogether and hit the curb, another one hit the frame of the windscreen and left a huge dent and missed everyone, another one hit the governor of texas and broke his wrist, another one hit JFK in the back 5" below his shoulder blade (the jacket and shirt evidence is freely available), another one hit him in the throat, and the fatal shot hit him in the right temple and blew the back of his head off because it was a frangible bullet of some sort. there's 6 right there. another shot may have hit the texas governor in the leg, that's 7, and up to 11 shots have been counted by some. The other explanation of 3 shots, where one missed, causing a bullet to enter JFK's middle back, come out his neck, transfer to the governor, break his wrist and end up in his leg seems implausible at best, and yet that is what the Warren Commission and the new theory expects us to believe, as well as ProfWag, apparently.

The Aussie detective has no answer for why the secret service guys were instructed to stand down off the car before entering the plaza while waving their arms in bewilderment (all caught on film) and a complete violation of protocol (obviously for a clear shot) and why the police motorbike cavalcade were ordered to stay behind the rear wheel of the presidential limousine at all times, riding in a bizarre 2x2 each side configuration in a line, rather than the usual square surrounding the car as body protection, which they also queried. hence the name 'bodyguard' in both cases. this last would also normally never be done. Then the cavalcade went through a turn greater than 90 degrees, also banned in SS safety protocol -- the reason for the route change was that a venue had been changed from a good one to a much more insecure one in a different location for no good reason. Then the secret service driver came to an almost complete stop while the shots were being fired, when the correct thing to have done would be to floor the accelerator and get out of the area. the secret service have been implicated in the assassination, and the actions of the stand down order to the bodyguards, the route chosen and the bizarre behaviour of the driver suggests that the SS driver and some superiors were complicit in the assassination.

LHO was clearly not on the 5th floor of the book dispensary when the assassination occurred, he was later found in the lunchroom with workmates, and was probably in the doorway watching the parade at the time it went past according to photographic evidence. A number of CIA personnel have also been photographed at the plaza in an extraordinary turn. LHO had been placed in a job 6 weeks before at the dispensary as a cover by his handler.

Then the most logical route for LHO to take home (which he probably actually took) is nothing like the route where the policeman was shot. Witnesses actually saw 2 guys in a vehicle shoot the cop after he bailed them up due to the lockdown at the time. They were two of the real JFK assassins.

In his testimony he quietly said 'now they will know who I am' referring to his quasi-intelligence role which he obviously valued, and his 'cover was blown'. When he realised he had been set up as a patsy he of course finally proclaimed it to the media. Within a day he was dead, inexplicably gunned down by Jack Ruby, a Mafia -associating, nightclub-owning, right wing Republican supporter who had no love for JFK. Clearly LHO had been told he was doing some sort of important 'intelligence work' and while it appears he may have been groomed as an asset for some time, he eventually was dispensed with as a useful pawn.

Numerous eyewitness accounts were ignored by the Warren Commission in compiling their report which completely contradict their findings. People saw a number of riflemen in buildings and thought they were secret service. A number of people heard shots from the grassy knoll as well, and it appears a number of people were flashing fake secret service badges to keep people away from that area prior to the shooting.

LHO was a poor shot at best, and not a good Marine, although Jim Garrison points out that that was all he ever wanted to be. He was used as an 'odd job' intelligence asset from then on, his move to Russia and back was too easy, and a Minox spy camera was found in his possession that was not available for sale at that time to the public. He was pro-Castro and anti-Castro, and it appears he was also used as a bodyguard for a period for Dr Mary S Sherman, who died under extremely mysterious circumstances, where he met David Ferrie and others. He handed out pamphlets given to him by his handler, an 'ex'-CIA private detective whose office was quartered on an intersection surrounded by CIA and FBI offices directly outside these offices.

http://www.ctka.net/haslem.html (see Dr Mary's Monkey)

It's likely LBJ was one of the plotters, and chose not to use the Mafia to recruit hitmen as they would blackmail him forever. He had his own assassin, Malcolm Wallace, who performed at least 12 hits for him over time. It's also possible GHWB was supervising the operation, as it turns out he most likely went straight from Harvard to the CIA and his oil company Zapato Offshore Oil was a CIA front company (his business partner was immediately ex-CIA), which explains his trajectory from Ivy League university to southern oilman to CIA head as its first 'civilian' plucked from obscurity and from an extremely unlikely prior profession.

Here are the most likely accounts of what really happened:







Note that Gerald Ford was on the Warren Commission and later became president, whereupon he appointed GHWB as head of the CIA out of the blue. GHWB was of course president in turn some time after that. Both selected and not elected?

Is there any reason GHWB finds it amusing in his speech at Gerald Ford's funeral that JFK was assassinated by a 'deluded gunman'?



Jim Fetzer's accounts have all the markers of any good scientific theory in that they match and explain all of the evidence and are contradicted by none of the evidence.
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Re: JFK 50TH Anniversary

Postby ProfWag » 12 Nov 2013, 20:41

What's flawed about your 6 to 11 shots thoughts are that the vast majority of witnesses only report 3 shots fired. Also, there's nothing "magic" about the "magic bullet theory."

The first shot, and the one that was closest to the President went through a stop light (yes, there is video evidence of this) and hit the curb that ultimately hit that Teague dude on the face. The second shot went through the back of JFK and into Connelly. The third went through his head.

What conspiracy theorists keep referring to as virtually impossible for the 2nd shot is that they cling to re-enactments from a vehicle that wasn't like the limousine. If the seats were the same height and in front of each other, then yes, the bullet would have had to have been "magic." In reality however, Kennedy's seat was approximately 6 inches higher than Connelly and the Governor's seat was 6 inches to the left of the right door. Using the exact placement of the President and the Governor, you will find that the bullet did, in fact, travel in a straight line. Also, when was the last time you wore a suit that didn't ride up your back when you lifted your arm to wave? That's the cause of the height difference from the bullet hole.

Finally, the video taken by some dude on the other side of the street from where Zapruder was clearly shows the brain matter blowing forward after the shot.
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Re: JFK 50TH Anniversary

Postby SydneyPSIder » 12 Nov 2013, 21:25

but Connally was much further forward than the single bullet theory can allow for, as any one can see in the footage for themselves. that is also examined in the 2 part Fetzer video I believe in a close analysis using wireframe.

there are many accounts of more than 3 shots. the warren commission kept leading and guiding witnesses to suggest they heard 'echoes'.

the holes in the suit AND the shirt line up together, and they are much lower. how much riding up is his clobber doing here? a jacket I might believe, but not his shirt as well.

further, the wounds caused by many shots are not adequately explained by 2-3 shots only as already outlined.

you haven't addressed the many serious breaches of protocol committed by the secret service as noted, the bizarre configuration of the police escort bikes, the behaviour of jack ruby, numerous inconsistencies in timing in general such as in the book depository, and so on and so on. the mafia/CIA had realised a few years earlier you always need a patsy for every major hit, as they had a lot of trouble getting a hitman out of the court system on one occasion. hence we see a pattern with JFK, RFK, MLK, Malcolm X and a few international statesmen at the time.

then there are the further witness accounts around LBJ where he said 'by tomorrow JFK won't be a problem' etc.

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Re: JFK 50TH Anniversary

Postby SydneyPSIder » 13 Nov 2013, 16:25

s'funny, the 1976 US house of reps select committee on assassinations later determined there WAS a shot from the grassy knoll, and that others were involved.





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Re: JFK 50TH Anniversary

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Postby SydneyPSIder » 13 Nov 2013, 19:11

In March 1975, Good Night America broadcast, for the first time, the Zapruder film, with an audience of millions watching.[157] Almost immediately, with the film showing a backward snap of President Kennedy’s head, indicating to many a shot from the right front and hence a conspiracy, there were new demands for a re-investigation. The findings of the Rockefeller Commission that year and the Church Committee the next year added impetus to calls for a new inquiry, which was realized by the House Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA) from 1977 to 1979. That investigation concluded President Kennedy "was probably assassinated as a result of a conspiracy".[9]

Interestingly Jim Fetzer emphatically names 4 assassins who are specifically non-Mafia, and drawn from each vested interest area. He is emphatic LBJ would not use Mafia due to blackmail potential.

Jerry Kroth on the other hand draws direct links to Mafia hitmen and claims an informant named James Files was an assassin in conjunction with numerous Mafioso.

Clearly both these authors cannot be right.

Some 38 different names have been put forward as possible assassins, 26 by Kroth alone.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_F._Ke ... y_theories

1 Background
1.1 Public opinion

2 Possible evidence of a cover-up
3 Allegations of witness tampering, intimidation, and foul play
3.1 Witness intimidation
3.2 Witness deaths

4 Allegations of evidence suppression, tampering, and fabrication
4.1 Suppression of evidence
4.1.1 Ignored testimony
4.1.2 Confiscated film and photographs
4.1.3 Withheld documents

4.2 Tampering of evidence
4.2.1 The "backyard" photos
4.2.2 The Zapruder film
4.2.3 Kennedy's body

4.3 Fabrication of evidence 4.3.1 Murder weapon
4.3.2 Bullets and cartridges


5 Allegations of multiple gunmen
5.1 Number of shots
5.2 Origin of the shots 5.2.1 Testimony of eyewitnesses
5.2.2 Physical evidence
5.2.3 Film and photographic evidence
5.2.4 Acoustical evidence
5.2.5 Medical evidence

5.3 Oswald's marksmanship
5.4 Role of Oswald
5.5 Alternative gunmen
5.6 Three tramps

6 Allegations of other conspirators
6.1 E. Howard Hunt
6.2 J. D. Tippit
6.3 Bernard Weissman
6.4 Roscoe White
6.5 Unnamed accomplice or accomplices in the murder of J. D. Tippit
6.5.1 Allegations regarding witness testimony and physical evidence
6.5.2 Allegations regarding timeline


7 Conspiracy theories 7.1 New Orleans conspiracy
7.2 CIA conspiracy
7.3 Shadow government conspiracy
7.4 Military-industrial complex
7.5 Secret Service conspiracy
7.6 Cuban exiles
7.7 Organized crime conspiracy
7.8 Lyndon B. Johnson conspiracy
7.9 Cuban government conspiracy
7.10 Soviet government conspiracy
7.11 Decoy hearse and wound alteration
7.12 Federal Reserve conspiracy
7.13 Israeli government conspiracy

8 Other published theories
9 See also
10 Notes
11 References
12 External links
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Re: JFK 50TH Anniversary

Postby SydneyPSIder » 13 Nov 2013, 19:13

About 40 witnesses to the assassination of President Kennedy claimed either to have heard gunshots from the infamous grassy knoll in the northwest corner of Dealey Plaza, or to have seen smoke or smelled gunpowder in that area.

Interviewing the Dealey Plaza Witnesses

Several of these witnesses were interviewed by newspaper, radio and television reporters immediately after the assassination. The interviews were influential in generating doubt about the lone–gunman theory. Many other interviews have been carried out in the years since the assassination, almost all of them by private researchers.

Examination of photographs and home movies suggests that there were perhaps as many as 600 people in Dealey Plaza at the time of the assassination. Official interviews or statements exist for around 200 of these witnesses. Because the Warren Commission did no investigation of its own, almost all of the witnesses who testified before the Commission were chosen from those who had already made official statements. The other 400 or so, including many of the spectators nearest to the president, were never interviewed officially at all. Few of these missing witnesses were identified, even when the authorities had been informed of their existence (Warren Commission Hearings, vol.15, pp.525f).

In many cases, the witnesses appear not to have been asked about the origin of the shots. Of those who were asked, probably a small majority claimed that the shots came from the general direction of the Texas School Book Depository. A handful of people claimed to have heard shots from both directions. Many had no opinion.

http://22november1963.org.uk/jfk-assass ... -witnesses
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Apart from the sterile mechanics of how many bullets were fired from which direction and by whom, there is of the course the interesting context around LHO, David Ferrie, Clay Shaw and various other ex-CIA odd-bods in New Orleans at the time.

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Based on information uncovered by Jim Garrison, the U.S. House of Representatives Select Committee on Assassinations, and other investigative sources, we now know for certain that the Warren Report’s account of Lee Harvey Oswald in New Orleans in 1963 is not only incomplete but misleading.

We now know, for example, that during his stay in New Orleans Lee Harvey Oswald had frequent dealings with, and spent much time in the company of, persons never mentioned in the Warren Report, persons with connections to the CIA, the political far-right, and anti-Castro militants. Two of these persons were David William Ferrie and William Guy Banister. Oswald had been acquainted with Ferrie since 1955 when both were in the same Civil Air Patrol squadron. The brilliant but deranged Ferrie was, among other many things, a fanatical right-wing extremist and anti-Castroite, and a rabidly vociferous JFK hater with connections to both the CIA and the Mafia. Banister, a former FBI agent and former New Orleans assistant police chief, also was a fanatical right-wing extremist and anti-Castroite with CIA connections. In 1963 Banister was operating a private investigation firm, Guy Banister Associates, with offices in the Newman Building, located at 544 Camp Street. David Ferrie worked as a private investigator for Banister, and in the summer of 1963 Ferrie, Banister, and Lee Harvey Oswald were often seen in the Newman Building, which was one block from the coffee company where Oswald worked for two months. Oswald even stamped “544 Camp Street” on pro-Castro brochures he handed out. There is plenty of additional evidence, too extensive to be explored here, linking Oswald, Ferrie, and Banister.

What was Oswald, supposedly a wild-eyed leftist, doing in the company of the likes of Ferrie and Banister? Why would a member of the pro-Castro Fair Play for Cuba Committee be spending time at 544 Camp Street, of all places? The notion that Oswald was truly a pro-communist attempting to infiltrate right-wing circles is facially preposterous. It is extremely unlikely that 23-year old Oswald could have thought for a moment that he could fool Ferrie and Banister, who were right-wing zealots with extensive backgrounds in law enforcement or intelligence. The most plausible explanation for Oswald’s pro-Castro posturing in New Orleans is that he was involved in a clandestine operation with Ferrie and Banister and that, for reasons we are still unaware of, he was creating what is known in the world of spies as a “legend” to conceal whatever clandestine activities he was involved in. In intelligence parlance, a “legend” is a cover story created to mask the real activities of a spy or the real purpose of his activities.

Fall 1966 Jim Garrison becomes interested in investigating the JFK assassination when in the autumn of 1966 he has a chance conversation with Louisiana’s U.S. Sen. Russell Long, who surprisingly tells Garrison: “Those fellows on the Warren Commission were dead wrong. There’s no way in the world that one man could have shot up Jack Kennedy that way.” Shortly thereafter, in October or November 1966, Garrison opens his investigation.

Feb. 17, 1967 A reporter, Rosemary James, publishes an article, “DA Here Launches Full JFK Death Plot Probe,” in the New Orleans States-Item newspaper. This is the first public revelation of Jim Garrison’s investigation of the JFK assassination.

Feb. 22, 1967 David Ferrie, who has been under 24 hour surveillance and is aware that Jim Garrison intends to arrest him shortly for conspiring to murder JFK, dies under suspicious circumstances. Weirdly, even though he dies allegedly of natural causes, Ferrie leaves behind two typed, unsigned, undated suicide notes.

Mar. 1, 1967 Charged by Jim Garrison with conspiring to murder JFK, Clay Shaw is arrested.

Mar. 3, 1967 A coordinated series of caustic, bitterly one-sided news media attacks on the Garrison investigation by diehard defenders of the Warren Report begins with publication of an article (subtitled “Bourbon Street Rococo”) in Time magazine. These attacks, which depict Garrison as a publicity-craving, out of control buffoon and his investigation as nothing more than a witch hunt, include notably: (1) “Carnival in New Orleans,” Newsweek, p. 41 (Mar. 6, 1967); (2) James Phelan, “Rush to Judgment in New Orleans,” Saturday Evening Post, p. 21 (May 6, 1967); (3) “Something of a Shambles,” Time, p. 42 (June 30, 1967); (4) “Law Unto Himself,” Newsweek, p. 37 (Jan. 8, 1968); (5) “Jolly Green Giant in Wonderland,” Time, p. 56 (Aug. 2, 1968); and (6) Warren Rogers, “The Persecution of Clay Shaw,” Look, p. 53 (Aug. 26, 1969). On the other hand, a few magazine articles treat Garrison and his investigation sympathetically and suggest that he might be on to something. Two examples: Fred Powledge, “Is Garrison Faking? The DA, the CIA and the Assassination,” The New Republic, p. 13 (June 17, 1967), and Richard H. Popkin, “Garrison’s Case,” N.Y. Review of Books, p. 19 (Sept. 14, 1967).

Excoriating press criticism of Garrison and his investigation is not limited to the print media. On June 19, 1967, NBC broadcasts a disgracefully slanted documentary, “The JFK Conspiracy: The Case of Jim Garrison,” which, to paraphrase Richard H. Popkin, suggests that it is Garrison, not Shaw, who should be placed on trial.

http://www.law.uga.edu/dwilkes_more/jfk_22destiny.html
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