Discuss Conspiracies and Cover Ups - e.g. 9/11 Truth, JFK Assassination, New World Order, Roswell, Moon Hoax, Secret Societies, etc. whatever conspiracy floats your boat.
by Scepcop » 18 Jun 2009, 01:05
http://www.stumbleupon.com/s/#1EPpVW/ww ... ering.htm/"Why, of course, the people don't want war," Goering shrugged. "Why would some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best that he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece. Naturally, the common people don't want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship." "There is one difference," I pointed out. "In a democracy the people have some say in the matter through their elected representatives, and in the United States only Congress can declare wars." "Oh, that is all well and good, but, voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country."
“Devotion to the truth is the hallmark of morality; there is no greater, nobler, more heroic form of devotion than the act of a man who assumes the responsibility of thinking.” - Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged
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by Franc28 » 18 Jun 2009, 04:41
I've always loved that quote. Here's another one for you:
All this organizing of death-dealing energy and technique is not a natural but a very sophisticated process. Particularly in modern nations, but also all through the course of modern European history, it could never exist without the State. For it meets the demands of no other institution, it follows the desires of no religious, industrial, political group... The other classes, left to themselves, have too many necessities and interests and ambitions, to concern themselves with so expensive and destructive a game.
The Government, with no mandate from the people, without consultation of the people, conducts all the negotiations, the backing and filling, the menaces and explanations, which slowly bring it into collision with some other Government, and gently and irresistibly slides the country into war. For the benefit of proud and haughty citizens, it is fortified with a list of the intolerable insults which have been hurled toward us by the other nations; for the benefit of the liberal and beneficent, it has a convincing set of moral purposes which our going to war will achieve; for the ambitious and aggressive classes, it can gently whisper of a bigger role in the destiny of the world. The result is that, even in those countries where the business of declaring war is theoretically in the hands of representatives of the people, no legislature has ever been known to decline the request of an Executive, which has conducted all foreign affairs in utter privacy and irresponsibility, that it order the nation into battle.
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by Scepcop » 18 Jun 2009, 13:57
Franc, what do you think of 9/11? What is your view on it?
And what's your take on Building 7 and how it fell at free fall speed due to alleged fires even though it was never hit by any planes? How probable is that?
Do you really buy that never before in history had steel structured skyscrapers collapsed from fire, and then suddenly on 9/11, three of them collapsed from fire? Is that a coincidence that you buy?
And what's your view on the JFK Assassination?
Even though these events aren't paranormal, they are odd in that there is no one hypothesis that fits all the data, especially since it's hard to tell which of the data is even true anymore.
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by Franc28 » 18 Jun 2009, 15:41
I am aware of the general 9/11 controversy. I haven't taken any position about it, for various reasons. I definitely think the US government is hiding something, in light of their actions before and after 9/11, but I don't think we can really say what. The idea that the buildings were controlled demolished makes some sense.
I don't know much about the JFK assassination controversy.
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