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Re: I can do telepathy EASY! - NSA

Postby NinjaPuppy » 06 Mar 2011, 18:41

G. ADAM wrote:
NinjaPuppy wrote:Happy Birthday G.Adam!


:D :D Thanks! going to be a quiet one I stocked up at the grocery store today!
I only found out about the page number system last year.

I'd like to hear more about this. The page number system seems fascinating.

G.Adam wrote:I need the *BLIND ANSWER* component to make it objective.

This I can understand. At least I believe I understand it from using it as an objective standpoint.

G.Adam wrote:No skeptics will do the quiz part independantly, as seeing correlations between independatn subjective Qs and As is considered being unwell, what did you call it?

Are you asking what I called it, or what Arouet or other skeptic called it? I was not able to understand your original concept and instructions in the begining. Watching the testing has given me at least the original way of doing things. I have been watching from the sidelines here.
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Re: I can do telepathy EASY! - NSA

Postby Arouet » 06 Mar 2011, 19:56

G. ADAM wrote:
NinjaPuppy wrote:Happy Birthday G.Adam!



:D :D Thanks! going to be a quiet one I stocked up at the grocery store today!


I only found out about the page number system last year.

I need the *BLIND ANSWER* component to make it objective.

No skeptics will do the quiz part independantly, as seeing correlations between independatn subjective Qs and As is considered being unwell, what did you call it?


I think I probably said "subjective". Course I don't think you really ever explained it in a manner that I truly understood. If you can set it out again, step by step, with very clear explanations including an example, like we've done with the other protocols, I'll give you my honest opinion.
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Re: I can do telepathy EASY! - NSA

Postby G. ADAM » 08 Mar 2011, 10:58

OK, had a few problems with the word tester at paranormaltest.com

I can't seem to get channels if the word is generated too far past. So I need a human assistant to 'conceal' the word. I could get a database of words, but may as well do it live with a human tester!

Basically you have to teleask 1 word per day between 12am GMT and say 9am GMT.

Since that was a sticking point before, I should check if you want me to spell out the protocol, it's just the same really, 4 days to channel and on day 5 post 4 options and I have 4 guesses, 1 at each word.

2 trials to check if it's above expected, so 10 days all up before we regroup!
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Re: I can do telepathy EASY! - NSA

Postby derrida » 15 Mar 2011, 08:47

common lets do it !!
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Re: I can do telepathy EASY! - NSA

Postby Arouet » 15 Mar 2011, 11:18

You want to take over as the tester derrida, and use me and Ninja as the controls?
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Re: I can do telepathy EASY! - NSA

Postby G. ADAM » 19 Mar 2011, 09:26

It's better if you do the teleasking Arouet.

James Randi has lowered the application bar so I don't need a media presence, but I still need a letter from an academic who has seen the claim work.

We only need to break 100:1 odds for a reference letter.

Here is the protocol I will be submitting (draft)

----after midnight GMT----

TESTER:
Word 1 clue is at page XXX line XX

ADAM:
Word 1 clue is ((YYYYY))

----after midnight GMT----

TESTER:
Word 2 clue is at page XXX line XX

ADAM:
Word 2 clue is ((YYYYY))

----after midnight GMT----

TESTER:
Word 3 clue is at page XXX line XX

ADAM:
Word 3 clue is ((YYYYY))

----after midnight GMT----

TESTER:
The 3 Word Options are
A/ CAT
B/ DOG
C/ FISH

ADAM:
My selections of the 3 words are
Word 1 = C/ FISH
Word 2 = A/ CAT
Word 3 = B/ DOG

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Short break, scoring, repeat a few times until hit rate is consistently 50%+.
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Re: I can do telepathy EASY! - NSA

Postby Arouet » 19 Mar 2011, 19:40

G. Adam: if you are serious about using this as a protocol for applying for the MDC under the new relaxed rules, may I seriously suggest that you drop this whole 1 trial per day thing. It's just begging to be shot down by the MDC. It's a protocol that will just take way too long to get any meaningful sample. The JREF will not be interested in testing you for half a year what they could do in an afternoon.

It just seems like self-handicapping. It almost guarantees a rejection by JREF and then you will complain again that they don't want to test you. You will never get ANYONE outside an internet community (where its not particularly onerous) to do any serious testing of you based on one trial per day. Especially one where with computers generating the words and channels, you could get many trials done in a very short period of time.

My advice: get rid of the whole GMT criteria. It kills your entire protocol from a practicality standpoint.

Also you've now gone to three words, what are the odds with this protocol?
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Re: I can do telepathy EASY! - NSA

Postby Arouet » 19 Mar 2011, 19:46

On re-reading it I'm not sure I understand the role that GMT plays here. Is it one trial per day? All you say is after midnight GMT but you don't have a corrosponding before midnight GMT. At what point on this circle does it stop being after midnight GMT, and what is to happen then? What is your proposed window for doing these trials? Much better to just eliminate it from the protocol entirely. If you want it in there, you've got to flesh it out more. How many trials can be done in a day?
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Re: I can do telepathy EASY! - NSA

Postby G. ADAM » 19 Mar 2011, 20:40

I've tried all the alternatives.

Assuming my accuracy is pretty good, the best is 3:1 odds per day, that's
1 day 3:1
2 days 9:1
3 days 27:1
4 days 81:1
5 days 243:1
6 days 729:1
7 days 2187:1
...
14 days 1,000,000:1

As long as the costs are born by the claimaint it only takes them 1 minute per day. I can pop in the US or Australian office should they want to monitor my participation.

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The only other option is we do 20 words in an hour when we're both online and one of YOU do the guesswork after, i.e someone does NOT view the channel thread but does a multi choice test on my behalf!

That's a bit problematic on it's own though.

anyway, I would rather do 1 batch of 3 words than discuss it to death before it gets off the ground. somehow I doubt you'll allow a single batch to proceed
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Re: I can do telepathy EASY! - NSA

Postby Arouet » 20 Mar 2011, 03:32

G. ADAM wrote:I've tried all the alternatives.

Assuming my accuracy is pretty good, the best is 3:1 odds per day, that's
1 day 3:1
2 days 9:1
3 days 27:1
4 days 81:1
5 days 243:1
6 days 729:1
7 days 2187:1
...
14 days 1,000,000:1


What are you measuring there? What are you considering a hit? Only when you get all three in the right order? That a 1/6 chance or 5:1.

123 3 correct
132 1 correct
213 1 correct
231 0 correct
312 0 correct
321 0 correct

So there's a 1/6 chance of all three correct (5:1), a 1/3 chance of getting 2 right (2:1) [edit: this should be 1 right], and a 3/6 chance of getting 0 correct (1:1).

So how are you calculating your odds? Getting all three right is not very impressive, its going to happen quite a bit. What you're trying to do is show that you can get 3/3 at a significant rate greater than 1/6.

As long as the costs are born by the claimant it only takes them 1 minute per day. I can pop in the US or Australian office should they want to monitor my participation.


Seriously, I highly doubt they will be interested in that. You had one guess where you think the time zone made a difference. Honestly, drop this condition. All it does is make doing this extremely inconvenient.

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The only other option is we do 20 words in an hour when we're both online and one of YOU do the guesswork after, i.e someone does NOT view the channel thread but does a multi choice test on my behalf!


Huh?

anyway, I would rather do 1 batch of 3 words than discuss it to death before it gets off the ground. somehow I doubt you'll allow a single batch to proceed


because one batch of 3 words on its own is useless. You're a math guy. You should know this. I'm not going to do some drawn out thing that is useless. I'm willing to participate, but only in a way that makes sense.
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Re: I can do telepathy EASY! - NSA

Postby G. ADAM » 20 Mar 2011, 15:36

It has to be drawn out, it's the only way to make the WORDS go with the CHANNELS.

If I do batches blind then they match anything.

Look, all you have to do is wait for me to say "OK teleask me word 1".

Try and answer within 12 hours, since you're on here most days a lot it won't be a problem.

It's pretty simple, the ODDS will build up gradually, if my hit rate is 2/3 there should be no problem in going on.

If you want to argue that it's not interesting taking a week to guess half dozen words then that's just a copout.

What's 1 week when I spent 10 years on this?

OK here goes!

TEST CONDITIONS APPLY (pending Arouet's participation)

QUIET PLEASE

Arouet can you post the first line number for Word 1 clue!

e.g.


I have sent a PM with Word 1 and the clue line number to Witness 1 and Witness 2.
Word 1 clue is at page XXX line XX



The balls in your court!
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Re: I can do telepathy EASY! - NSA

Postby Arouet » 20 Mar 2011, 21:08

I'm not wasting my time this time until we know exactly what the protocol entails. How are you determining the odds here?
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Re: I can do telepathy EASY! - NSA

Postby G. ADAM » 21 Mar 2011, 08:03

I'm not. I only need a high score roughly in the 100:1 to 1000:1 range.

It's a requirement of the application to have an acedemic say the claim is worth testing, that's all.

The expected average result is 1/3 right per batch. That's all we need isn't it?

Anyway it just past midnight GMT so this is my last call, I can't be bothered designing a levitron synchoniser to see if a man walks on water.

Can you tell me the first word clue?

I've discussed 100 of your objections for 2 1/2 months! If you can't comprehend the issues of TESTING A CLAIM then I'm not going to waste my time either.
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Re: I can do telepathy EASY! - NSA

Postby G. ADAM » 21 Mar 2011, 08:08

AND NO! DOING IT RIGHT DOES NOT EQUAL DOING NOTHING OVER STUPID REQUIREMENTS TO WORK OUT A CONTRACT.

I'VE GOT A DICE IN MY HAND, MY CLAIM IS TO ROLL 6'S

DO YOU WANT TO SEE OR NOT?

IF YOU SAY YOU "SHOULD DO IT RIGHT!" I'M OUT!

EVEN RANDI OFFERED TO VIEW DEMONSTRATIONS BUT YOU ARE STILL STUCK IN

WE ONLY AGREE IF HE PASSES A CONTRACTUAL OFFER!

This is EXACTLY the B/S that's stalled research 10 years and has had me shafted for 10 years.

I'VE GOT A DICE IN MY HAND. MY CLAIM IS TO ROLL 6'S

IF YOU REFUSE TO OBSERVE THEN YOU ARE NOT DOING IT RIGHT.
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Re: I can do telepathy EASY! - NSA

Postby Arouet » 21 Mar 2011, 08:34

G. ADAM wrote:The expected average result is 1/3 right per batch. That's all we need isn't it?


No, the expected average is NOT 1/3. You are doing an ordering protocol here, not a guess the right word protocol. You are being given the three words, and then you are putting them in order. You are not trying to guess the right word out of three choices.

I have explained where you are wrong here over and over but for some reason you don't want to acknowledge it.

You will order 1/3 correct by chance alone one third of the time. So to beat expectation you have to beat that rate over a sufficient sample. Do you understand that?

You will order 0/3 half the time by chance alone. So to beat expectation you have to beat that rate over a sufficient sample. Do you understand that?

You will order 3/3 one sixth of the time by chance alone. So to beat expectation you have to beat that rate over a sufficient sample. Do you understand that?

If you don't understand these basics how can you dream of applying for the MDC. You should avoid the ordering protocols if you can't figure out the stats properly.

Anyhow, I've said that I'm only interested in continuing with a lengthy protocol with you if we work out the details in advance. it's not a contract - it's a basic experiment. It matters little to me if we do this or not. But I'm done with the ad hoc basis of it. If you don't like it I'm sure you will find someone else who will be willing to wing it with you.
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