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Was Randi Wrong about Uri Geller?

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Re: Was Randi Wrong about Uri Geller?

Postby ProfWag » 06 Feb 2010, 03:42

NinjaPuppy wrote:To get back on topic.... Do you believe that Uri Geller exists?

I thought the topic was "was Randi wrong about Uri Geller?" So, I must ask since I don't feel like looking at the first page of this topic, what was it that Randi was wrong about again? That Uri's a fake? If that's the question, then no, nothing in 357 pages seems to have made me change my mind on that.
(But to answer your question, Ms. Ninja "I have the looks of Miss Universe in the body of Sylvia Browne with the mind of Einstein and the voice of Jimmy Durante" Puppy, yes, I believe Uri exists.)
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Re: Was Randi Wrong about Uri Geller?

Postby NinjaPuppy » 06 Feb 2010, 03:48

I peeked at page one and ciscop started it. Ciscop put up a video and the rest is history.
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Re: Was Randi Wrong about Uri Geller?

Postby ciscop » 06 Feb 2010, 04:44

was it Bertrand Russell who said?
¨Sometimes i like to quote myself to be more interesting¨?
(was it something like that?) well..

here is what i posted back then

ciscop wrote:I know callahan and koenig will get mad because im going to give you secrets but who cares? those people want to scam you, i dont, here you have proof, decide for yourself.

So lets start with Uri Geller..
Geller said back then that he was a psychic... and since then has been haunted by randi
here is a video of randi debunking him, wanna know how to do a DD? (draw duplication?) or how to Bend a Spoon?


now.. The peek is called the Gypsie Peek and is well used by magicians, if you want to know more about this you should get information from Luke Jermay he teaches the peek in Emotional Intelligence in here: http://www.penguinmagic.com/product.php?ID=1703

now how does he does the spoon bending? is quite simple
there are many magicians teaching metal bending here are a few links:
http://www.penguinmagic.com/product.php?ID=891 Liquid metal by Morgan Strebler
http://www.penguinmagic.com/product.php?ID=16 Psychokinetic Silverware by Gerry and Banachek
http://www.penguinmagic.com/specialorde ... hp?ID=4468 Bavli Bending by Guy Bavli
http://www.penguinmagic.com/specialorde ... hp?ID=4282 Metal Bending Kuff by Patrick Kuffs

Now...
the thing that is quite funny
is that Uri Geller doesnt says he is a Psychic anymore
now he is a Mystifier (like Criss Angel)
here in this video
Uri Geller was asked that question and he got mad, quite funny


I am not saying there is no psychics
im just saying URI GELLER ISNT a psychic
when he met David Blaine he did a point about guys exposing trickery in magic (why would a psychic be scare about him being exposed?)
Uri Geller: David, what about these bastards - sorry - who try to expose trickery in magic, and who try to say what you do is not real, when you know that what they're saying is not true. Do you feel angry about it?
David Blaine: It's upsetting but I believe that the images I create will last longer than these cheating attempts to thrive and make money out of what I've created.

Here is the link to the meeting between david and uri: http://www.urigeller.com/articles/blain ... e-edge.htm


so.. is it The power of the mind or Sleight of hand?.. you decide


and by the way..
I said back then that metal bending was easy
i wanna backpedal that one
i was busted last week red handed doing that..
it was one of those days..
well.. it happens.. i have seen david copperfield droping a ring on stage..
For every person who reads this valuable book there are hundreds of naïve souls who would prefer to have their spines tingled by a sensational but worthless potboiler by some hack journalist of the paranormal. You who now read these sentences join a small but wiser minority. Martin Gaardner (Psychology of the Psychic)
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Re: Was Randi Wrong about Uri Geller?

Postby NinjaPuppy » 06 Feb 2010, 04:55

Ciscop - I'd love to hear more about mentalism or whatever it's called. Would you like to start a topic for us and give us the highlights?
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Re: Was Randi Wrong about Uri Geller?

Postby ProfWag » 06 Feb 2010, 05:15

ciscop wrote:and by the way..
I said back then that metal bending was easy
i wanna backpedal that one
i was busted last week red handed doing that..
it was one of those days..
well.. it happens.. i have seen david copperfield droping a ring on stage..

I had a handkerchief-loaded thumb tip fall out of my pocket and roll into the front row where the guy picked it up and showed everyone.
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Re: Was Randi Wrong about Uri Geller?

Postby Kevin Kane » 06 Feb 2010, 05:23

I watched the video ciscop posted. Great video quality and lighting ... and the dinner atmosphere is very scientific.




"That's what he is doing .. I believe .. from my position as expertise .. He is peeking"

"But there is another significant thing in this cut .. play it through"

Video restarts

"He's looking straight towards her now"

Video shows different angle:

"Now he's turned away. He's turned away at this position (camera angle)"




Um ... the camera angle changed, not Uri.
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Re: Was Randi Wrong about Uri Geller?

Postby ProfWag » 06 Feb 2010, 05:35

Kevin Kane wrote:
"Now he's turned away. He's turned away at this position (camera angle)"




Um ... the camera angle changed, not Uri.

If you're referring to the 2:00 point in that video, he most certainly did turn his whole body away.
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Re: Was Randi Wrong about Uri Geller?

Postby Kevin Kane » 06 Feb 2010, 05:58

5:16

What was Randi thinking when he choose this video to debunk? That he'd choose the most distracting circumstances, poor lighting, poor quality video, jarring camera cuts, confusing context, difficult perspectives? Because I'm pretty sure clearer videos exist of this trick.
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Re: Was Randi Wrong about Uri Geller?

Postby ProfWag » 06 Feb 2010, 06:08

Kevin Kane wrote:5:16

What was Randi thinking when he choose this video to debunk? That he'd choose the most distracting circumstances, poor lighting, poor quality video, jarring camera cuts, confusing context, difficult perspectives? Because I'm pretty sure clearer videos exist of this trick.

Thanks Kevin! It appeard to me that he turned slightly down, but I'm biased against Uri so viewers would just have to decide for themselves. You're right that in that particular section of the video, there was poor lighting, etc.
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Re: Was Randi Wrong about Uri Geller?

Postby ciscop » 06 Feb 2010, 06:41

hahahahahaha
and what about this one kevin?
poor lighting?
or we CANT prove he has a magnet?

i can even tell you what type of magnet it is since i use them in my show
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Re: Was Randi Wrong about Uri Geller?

Postby highflyertoo » 06 Feb 2010, 09:48

No ProfWag.
The question was answered for you and you didn't like it.

Randi has not seen a Ghost and therefore believes he can manipulate ''ALL OTHER '' people who have never seen a Ghost,and you fall into Randi's puppy dog kennel.

Let me tell you how it is.You haven't seen a Ghost. So why do you tell other people that they haven't seen a Ghost? Your OWN WORDS THAT SPUE FROM YOUR MOUTH continue to say ''where's the validity''?

People tell other people of their encounters and you ''dismiss it''........... You ProfWag are calling people LIARS in an unfair manner. You have yet to see a Ghost.... so stopping crying for awhile and let people alone :D

The Scooby Doo Show was all based on young university style people (cartoon) who could scientifically solve that Ghosts and Magic was only ''trickery and suspicion'' used to scare people into submission.






ProfWag and Ciscop,this is not the Scooby Doo Show , so please refrain from imitating them. ...turn off the TV :D
Randi was no researcher of the paranormal even though he tried half heartedly.... Shows over.
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Re: Was Randi Wrong about Uri Geller?

Postby Kevin Kane » 06 Feb 2010, 10:01

Yeah, that's a lot clearer.

But here's one I like that contains many camera cuts, edits, camera angles .. so it might blow James Randi's mind with all the camera jumps.

DON'T DO IT, FEDON!!!

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Re: Was Randi Wrong about Uri Geller?

Postby ciscop » 06 Feb 2010, 10:23

so?
no comment on uri caught cheating on the succesor show?

you know he even wanted youtube to take off those videos
im not sure if to feel sorry for him because he got caught or feel sorry for the dummies that think he is for real
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Re: Was Randi Wrong about Uri Geller?

Postby ciscop » 06 Feb 2010, 10:34

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DinkCry5KlM&feature=related[/youtube]

here it is
not sure if you both kevin and h2 will understand it

i didnt find a video of the muppets explaining uri geller´s spoon bending
maybe teletubbies are more apt for your level?
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Re: Was Randi Wrong about Uri Geller?

Postby Kevin Kane » 06 Feb 2010, 10:43

Look! Uri moved and is peeking at the woman's drawing that is facing her and not visible to him.


Oh wait .. it was just Camera 2.


My bad.





Things I've learned about Uri Geller from skeptics:





Uri Geller is spying on everything everyone does.

He's peeking everywhere.

He's peeping in key holes and looking thru door cracks.

He's watching us changing our underwear and stuff.

He's really sneaky.

No .. really, really sneaky.
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