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Re: Video: Audience member confronts Randi and 800 skeptics

Postby Azrael » 02 Aug 2009, 00:34

Scepcop wrote:Dear Randi followers,

Bill Beaty (http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/weird.html) has some interesting words about you folks:

Another note. I wonder if you're already aware of the following.

When 'debating' with intolerant people on JREF, I often start to
experience a unique feeling. I feel like my skin is brown or black, and
I'm dealing with a racist bigot. Their snide smiling stance, which
conceals frank hatred? Their strutting superior attitude? The
impossibility of penetrating their delusions, and being understood?
Their use of namecalling and "racial slurs" such as "the pseudos" or "the
woo-woos?" Their need to pigeonhole everyone as either being "one of
them," rather than one of us?

The pseudoskeptics ...why, they're nothing new! Their behavior is long
known and well described. THEY'RE BIGOTS! Ahhh, now it all comes
together and makes perfect sense! Their actions seem obscure until I
realize that they're doing what all bullies and bigots do: stoking their
concealed hatred by dehumanizing their opponents. They never go after
strong people, but choose weak opponents: attacking reject/outsider types
who can't defend themselves. They view their opponents as inferior; and
as "being all exactly the same." We woo-woos are all exactly alike, no?
:) Let me put it this way. "Some of my best friends are woo-woos, (said
with a fake smile,) but I'd never let my daughter marry one." "The number
of woo-woos is large and increasing ...if we don't take immediate action,
the woo-woos will take over." "The purity of science is in danger, and
we're the only people standing between science and the forces of woo
contamination and corruption."

In all of the above, I just listed some bigot hate statements, but
replaced common racial slurs with "woo woo."

Man, this makes so much sense ...but ...I don't recall ever seeing this
topic discussed elsewhere. Surely I'm not the first to see the
connection? CSICOP is in the business of attacking a weak opponent who
doesn't fight back. It's no surprise that they attract a certain
percentage of bullies and bigots, since after all, racial bigotry is no
longer accepted in society. What's a habitual racist to do?

Why, just become a skeptic and attack The Woo-woos, of course! Scoffers
are driven by emotion, yes, but if we put in clearer terms, we'd describe
them as intolerant people being driven by a concealed hatred for "inferior
types," and ruled by a great fear that these "inferiors" will spread
contamination into the world. In that case, the greatest catastrophe
might not be genetic, where their daughters marry woo woos, but instead
the horror occurs when one of us somehow gets a paranormal-tolerant
article published in Skeptical Inquirer. What makes one into a Woo?
Simple: an attitude of tolerance rather than intolerance. If SI ever
accepted Woo authors, the Contamination of "paranormal tolerance" would
then spread to their fellow skeptics, and soon the CSICOP members might
all end up becoming half scoffer and half woo! :) If everyone becomes
"racially mixed," then that would be the end of everything, because then
how could bigots ever know which people to hate?

:)

Feel free to pass my rhetoric time-bomb along, if you think it's not
TOO politically incorrect.


Doe she have any proof for all the rubbish on his website? A paranormal believer who doesn't like skeptics. WOW. What next the earth is round? Sun is hot?
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Re: Video: Audience member confronts Randi and 800 skeptics

Postby ciscop » 02 Aug 2009, 01:56

i guess we are all supposed to believe anything paranormal without proof

thats ok for some
but that will never convince skeptics
people should understand
skeptics just need evidence
you win a debate with a skeptic when you have proper evidence
if all you have is your beliefs then you shouldnt go into a debate
For every person who reads this valuable book there are hundreds of naïve souls who would prefer to have their spines tingled by a sensational but worthless potboiler by some hack journalist of the paranormal. You who now read these sentences join a small but wiser minority. Martin Gaardner (Psychology of the Psychic)
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Re: Video: Audience member confronts Randi and 800 skeptics

Postby The Professor » 02 Aug 2009, 12:56

Scepcop wrote:Dear Randi followers,

Bill Beaty (http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/weird.html) has some interesting words about you folks:

Another note. I wonder if you're already aware of the following.

When 'debating' with intolerant people on JREF, I often start to
experience a unique feeling. I feel like my skin is brown or black, and
I'm dealing with a racist bigot. Their snide smiling stance, which
conceals frank hatred? Their strutting superior attitude? The
impossibility of penetrating their delusions, and being understood?
Their use of namecalling and "racial slurs" such as "the pseudos" or "the
woo-woos?" Their need to pigeonhole everyone as either being "one of
them," rather than one of us?

The pseudoskeptics ...why, they're nothing new! Their behavior is long
known and well described. THEY'RE BIGOTS! Ahhh, now it all comes
together and makes perfect sense! Their actions seem obscure until I
realize that they're doing what all bullies and bigots do: stoking their
concealed hatred by dehumanizing their opponents. They never go after
strong people, but choose weak opponents: attacking reject/outsider types
who can't defend themselves. They view their opponents as inferior; and
as "being all exactly the same." We woo-woos are all exactly alike, no?
:) Let me put it this way. "Some of my best friends are woo-woos, (said
with a fake smile,) but I'd never let my daughter marry one." "The number
of woo-woos is large and increasing ...if we don't take immediate action,
the woo-woos will take over." "The purity of science is in danger, and
we're the only people standing between science and the forces of woo
contamination and corruption."

In all of the above, I just listed some bigot hate statements, but
replaced common racial slurs with "woo woo."

Man, this makes so much sense ...but ...I don't recall ever seeing this
topic discussed elsewhere. Surely I'm not the first to see the
connection? CSICOP is in the business of attacking a weak opponent who
doesn't fight back. It's no surprise that they attract a certain
percentage of bullies and bigots, since after all, racial bigotry is no
longer accepted in society. What's a habitual racist to do?

Why, just become a skeptic and attack The Woo-woos, of course! Scoffers
are driven by emotion, yes, but if we put in clearer terms, we'd describe
them as intolerant people being driven by a concealed hatred for "inferior
types," and ruled by a great fear that these "inferiors" will spread
contamination into the world. In that case, the greatest catastrophe
might not be genetic, where their daughters marry woo woos, but instead
the horror occurs when one of us somehow gets a paranormal-tolerant
article published in Skeptical Inquirer. What makes one into a Woo?
Simple: an attitude of tolerance rather than intolerance. If SI ever
accepted Woo authors, the Contamination of "paranormal tolerance" would
then spread to their fellow skeptics, and soon the CSICOP members might
all end up becoming half scoffer and half woo! :) If everyone becomes
"racially mixed," then that would be the end of everything, because then
how could bigots ever know which people to hate?

:)

Feel free to pass my rhetoric time-bomb along, if you think it's not
TOO politically incorrect.


This guy hit the nail on the head !!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Video: Audience member confronts Randi and 800 skeptics

Postby Scepcop » 03 Aug 2009, 19:54

ciscop wrote:i guess we are all supposed to believe anything paranormal without proof

thats ok for some
but that will never convince skeptics
people should understand
skeptics just need evidence
you win a debate with a skeptic when you have proper evidence
if all you have is your beliefs then you shouldnt go into a debate


NO ONE is saying that you should believe anything paranormal without proof. That is a TOTAL STRAW MAN that you guys make up. NO ONE is advocating that. It's a TOTAL MISREPRESENTATION on your part.

Why do you do that?

Bill was accurately describing the BEHAVIOR of pseudoskeptics. They DO in fact scoff, ridicule, display bigotry, etc. THEIR ACTIONS prove that. So why are you denying it?

Oh an Azrael, Bill Beaty is a "he", not a "she". You guys make so many mistakes. It's aggravating.
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Re: Video: Audience member confronts Randi and 800 skeptics

Postby Scepcop » 03 Aug 2009, 19:55

Skeptics,
Carl Sagan had some wise warnings to you about bad pseudoskeptic behavior. Take heed of them.

"You can get into a habit of thought in which you enjoy making fun of all those other people who don't see things as clearly as you do. We have to guard carefully against it." - Carl Sagan, 1987 CSICOP meeting

"People are not stupid. They believe things for reasons. The last way for skeptics to get the attention of bright, curious, intelligent people is to belittle or condescend or to show arrogance toward their beliefs." - Carl Sagan

"...The chief deficiency I see in the skeptical movement is its polarization: Us vs. Them -- the sense that we have a monopoly on the truth; that those other people who believe in all these stupid doctrines are morons; that if you're sensible, you'll listen to us; and if not, to hell with you. This is nonconstructive. It does not get our message across. It condemns us to permanent minority status." - Carl Sagan

"The suppression of uncomfortable ideas may be common in religion or in politics, but it is not the path to knowledge, and there's no place for it in the endeavor of science." - Carl Sagan
“Devotion to the truth is the hallmark of morality; there is no greater, nobler, more heroic form of devotion than the act of a man who assumes the responsibility of thinking.” - Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged
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Re: Video: Audience member confronts Randi and 800 skeptics

Postby Azrael » 04 Aug 2009, 01:55

Scepcop wrote:
ciscop wrote:i guess we are all supposed to believe anything paranormal without proof

*snip*

Oh an Azrael, Bill Beaty is a "he", not a "she". You guys make so many mistakes. It's aggravating.


Ever heard of a "typo"? My text reads" Doe she have ..." Its aggravating when people cannot see when someone hits the space bar too early. :roll:
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Re: Video: Audience member confronts Randi and 800 skeptics

Postby The Professor » 05 Aug 2009, 09:27

Just spoke with someone involved with DragonCon ... I hope randi shows up this year. People have QUESTIONS!!!!!!
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Re: Video: Audience member confronts Randi and 800 skeptics

Postby ciscop » 05 Aug 2009, 09:30

The Professor wrote:Just spoke with someone involved with DragonCon ... I hope randi shows up this year. People have QUESTIONS!!!!!!


i think it will be awesome if you be there
that will show us you have big balls
go and there and ask your questions! this could be your first youtube video with more than 300hits!
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Re: Video: Audience member confronts Randi and 800 skeptics

Postby The Professor » 05 Aug 2009, 09:33

Be assured ... there WILL BE CAMERA'S to catch randi in even more lies!
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Re: Video: Audience member confronts Randi and 800 skeptics

Postby ciscop » 06 Aug 2009, 01:20

and we will be here
catching yours

:D
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Re: Video: Audience member confronts Randi and 800 skeptics

Postby Azrael » 06 Aug 2009, 02:22

The Professor wrote:Be assured ... there WILL BE CAMERA'S to catch randi in even more lies!


Seeing as no-one believes that Randi told lies last time(apart from you and Jimbo) I doubt the "camera's" will. No doubt it will get riduculed on YouTube. Or maybe some big strong skeptic will knock you out (it's happened before as you well know).
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Re: Video: Audience member confronts Randi and 800 skeptics

Postby Jim-Callahan » 06 Aug 2009, 09:22

Azrael wrote:
The Professor wrote:Be assured ... there WILL BE CAMERA'S to catch randi in even more lies!


Seeing as no-one believes that Randi told lies last time(apart from you and Jimbo) I doubt the "camera's" will. No doubt it will get riduculed on YouTube. Or maybe some big strong skeptic will knock you out (it's happened before as you well know).


I cannot think of one big strong skeptic.

Most are fat or frail momma's boys.
(Or liars such as your old hero boy has proven to be).

Perhaps you could let us know of some you have an intimate knowlage of?

I bet you are quite the one John!

But I do find it strange that a fellow of such intellectual girth as you has not a picture.
Heck I would think you would have a self protrait of yourself on your site.

WHy don't you?

Strange to be so inept to not be able to you be who you are.

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Re: Video: Audience member confronts Randi and 800 skeptics

Postby ciscop » 06 Aug 2009, 14:38

jim jim jim.. this is where you lose me
i was all behind you bashing criss

but then you get into your stupid rant about being paranormalist and starting to believe your act.. and..
you are a big stupid idiot.. you were the biggest loser on phenomenon you got thrown out on the first date AND BECAUSE you challenged criss you werent invited back, you think we dont know?? I go to the same conventions that you go!! you got thrown out!! you werent invited back not even for a freaking card trick!!!... NO TV EXPOSURE!! you are a joke and you know it... stop it with raymond hill!!! YOU ARE A JOKE IN THE MAGIC COMMUNITY, WE TALK ABOUT YOU WITH A GIGGLE

or wait.. i can give you my paranormalist point of view..
to be honest WITH YOU
Hillmond Ray.. which is my ghost friend
told me all about you...

Come out of the closet and play Jim..
there are no ghosts out here.. only us..
FACT LOVING guys
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Re: Video: Audience member confronts Randi and 800 skeptics

Postby Azrael » 06 Aug 2009, 16:35

Jim-Callahan wrote:
Azrael wrote:
The Professor wrote:Be assured ... there WILL BE CAMERA'S to catch randi in even more lies!


Seeing as no-one believes that Randi told lies last time(apart from you and Jimbo) I doubt the "camera's" will. No doubt it will get riduculed on YouTube. Or maybe some big strong skeptic will knock you out (it's happened before as you well know).


I cannot think of one big strong skeptic.


No you just cannot think,full stop.

Most are fat or frail momma's boys.
(Or liars such as your old hero boy has proven to be).

What has Ronnie James Dio got to do with anything, not sure he is a skeptic or fat.

Perhaps you could let us know of some you have an intimate knowlage of?


Perhaps you can write in a language we can understand?

I bet you are quite the one John!

But I do find it strange that a fellow of such intellectual girth as you has not a picture.
Heck I would think you would have a self protrait of yourself on your site.

WHy don't you?



Strange to be so inept to not be able to you be who you are.

Jim


Why don't you write in English? Why don't you have a career? What happened at Halloween? Why are you obsessed with people's identities?
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Re: Video: Audience member confronts Randi and 800 skeptics

Postby ciscop » 06 Aug 2009, 16:42

NOT FAIR AZRAEL
i heard leeching on criss angel and james randi is actually a career in south carolina!!!
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