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Re: Questions about Reincarnation and Afterlife planes

Postby NinjaPuppy » 18 Feb 2011, 01:56

Arouet wrote:Let's start from scratch: is there any evidence that we can point to suggestive that humans retain learned lessons from prior lives?

No evidence that I know of but if you put this possibility (lessons) into the realm of DNA, it might have some food for thought.
Not that I understand much about DNA either but what makes some kid at the age of 3 a piano virtuoso and stuff like that?
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Re: Questions about Reincarnation and Afterlife planes

Postby caniswalensis » 18 Feb 2011, 02:09

NinjaPuppy wrote:
Arouet wrote:Not that I understand much about DNA either but what makes some kid at the age of 3 a piano virtuoso and stuff like that?


Beatings? :D
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Re: Questions about Reincarnation and Afterlife planes

Postby Craig Browning » 18 Feb 2011, 06:15

ProfWag wrote:Additionally, since there are more humans alive on the planet right now than there every has been COMBINED in history, that means that some people MUST either be missing a reincarnated soul or we're reincarnated from lessons learned from animals and if THAT's the case, what lessons would they teach? The need to show my master how easy it is to lick my own testicles?


Again, the solution to the invented dichotomy can be found in the theory itself; the belief that all things cycle through incarnation period... every rock, every plant, insect, animal, etc. all the way down to the most basic single-celled thing that lived millions of years ago to the most advanced & complex organisms. Too, most traditions recognize that life exists on other planets, in alternate Universes as well as dimensions and part of the soul's evolution will take it from each of these "planes" to another. It's not just humanoid form even though the naysayers love to bring it up, as has been implied here; they either don't know or wish to ignore the greater aspects tied to the philosophy.
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Re: Questions about Reincarnation and Afterlife planes

Postby Paradox » 28 Feb 2011, 18:57

Perhaps as Silver Birch has said different fragaments of an oversoul could reincarnate. There are no spirit nurseries for spirits are eternal so the new incarnations onto the earth to make up for the population surge likely come from different fragaments of a single oversoul or come right from the source of Mind itself. Trying to understand why if reincarnation is true why we don't remember our past lives while alive actually makes sense to me. This would destroy the purpose of your new incarnation and future life experience. We are here to live in this life and not worry about the next one or past lives. I believe you evaluate the lessons learned in spirit upon death. The information filter barrier that seperates our conscious mind from our subconscious mind seems to do the trick of deliberately creating amnesia. If all information throughout the universe is immediately available to every mind through a gigantic neural networking link then this information filter barrier is necessary to prevent information overload from destroying our minds as well as each one of our life experiences in both the physical and etheric worlds. Leaks in the information filter barrier would be responsible for most paranormal activity especially phenomena related to esp, telepathy and mediumship. Sometimes I wonder if animals have a higher sense of this information flow that they can just sense certain things. I've also always wondered if this is how some birds know how to migrate and navigate themselves to their destinations.
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Re: Questions about Reincarnation and Afterlife planes

Postby Craig Browning » 01 Mar 2011, 06:53

Arouet wrote:Let's start from scratch: is there any evidence that we can point to suggestive that humans retain learned lessons from prior lives?


I'd suggest you ask His Holiness, the Dahlia Lama :twisted:


Honestly though, how can you prove or disprove such a thing?

Critical Thinkers want to believe that any kind of Deja Vu experience or claims of "Memories" tied to a specific place in which the subject is able to describe and even take you to "proof" is "Coincidence" (one of their favorite intellectual "outs" :roll: ) If they can't accept someone with this kind of belief when they pin-point items, events, names, etc. then what can anyone do to help them understand and accept the fact that there is more to it than logic & intellect seems capable of explaining . . . at the moment.

There's an amazing number of very intelligent people now and in the past that had very deep belief in past-lives, even to the point of being able to do as I've just noted; walk a person straight to a yet known niche, carving, or whatever that sustains their story. I've known children who had absolutely no association with mysticism or any religion outside the Mormon church of all things and as young as three and four years of age, they would go into temper-tantrums for people calling them by their given name rather than the name they knew themselves to be in a previous lifetime. What's frightening, is when these same kids can tell you things about that individual and era archaeologist, historians and anthropologist wouldn't know for years, even decades after the fact.

There are at least a dozen studies on Reincarnation (one, I think it's out of Berkley, deals specifically with intellect & reincarnation) that have been following the same individuals for over a decade, in one case (I want to say the University of Oslo) over twenty years. Findings go way outside coincidence and all the other traditional "explanations" offered by the intellectual naysayers. Then again, they simply don't want to believe in anything and no matter what evidence or proof comes to the fore, they never will accept it... will they?
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Re: Questions about Reincarnation and Afterlife planes

Postby Arouet » 01 Mar 2011, 07:20

I looked some at the work of Dr. Ian Stevenson. It is interesting, but I need to look into it mor. Even better, I need to know what other experts say about his methodology. I looked once, but only found a few critiques. His work doesn't seem to have attracted that much attention. As a non-expert, I really like to the see the dabate before making up my minds.

From what I've seen, there are problems with many of these stories. Most, were stories that were consolidated long before the researcher got there. That makes them inherently suspect - like you said in the other post, memories are feeeble things. I am constantly amazed by what my children pick up, there are little sponges of information and learn words and concepts that I didn't teach them and have no idea where they got them. That's not to say that I think they are all wrong, or fraudulent, just that I think old stories like that are unreliable. And kids are very susceptible to suggestion.

I think it is a very difficult topic to examine. But that's the catch-22. Absent reliable evidence as a skeptic I must withhold belief.
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Re: Questions about Reincarnation and Afterlife planes

Postby Craig Browning » 01 Mar 2011, 13:14

I have a magazine article around here some place, when I find it and can point you to it, I believe you'll find things rather interesting; it certainly got me to thinking when I read it.
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