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Re: Questions about Reincarnation and Afterlife planes

Postby Craig Browning » 14 Feb 2011, 23:31

Oi, this is a huge topic (and I can't believe I didn't see the original posting)

First of all, there are several different "theories" associated with reincarnation out there; most Buddhist have the idea that you can come back as an earth worm or rock, etc. depending on you Karma. Too, there is a belief in moving onto higher levels of wisdom and form; look at Buddhist art where you see the bigger and bigger forms of Buddha surrounding the neophyte -- this is an expression of the "Higher-Self vs. the idea of "God".

Most Western European sects believe that we move up the food chain from mineral to plant, to animal and then into human form with even higher forms (forms of greater intellect/wisdom and thus, higher-vibration). They likewise encourage the idea of existing on multiple planes or even places (Yes, like other planets) other than and within our terrestrial state. The tradition stating that we begin as a monad and move forward over tens of thousands of lifetimes.

One thing these two schools tend to share is a "Spirit World School" in which the soul/consciousness goes after physical death so as to learn about the positive and negative aspects of Karma you created in the most recent life. With your Master Teachers & Guides you begin planning out your next life, taking into consideration the many forms of karmic obligation you have in order to bring your personal account into balance -- balance is the key, not the extreme "Light" B.S. we hear everyone in the New Age screaming about. It is during this planning process that you actually do sit down with those entities that a karmic bond exists with; this is where we get tales of a child returning that was once the grandmother or a sibling of an adult. It is also why you will find in various studies, reincarnation tends to connect with specific families and in some cases, the same geographic regions.

I can't find my copy of the article but some years ago Psychology Today ran a wonderful article on this topic that's worth review.

As I've posted elsewhere on this forum, I have some very personal reasons as to why I believe in this particular concept and the rule of Karma, not the least of which centering on the logic that esoterically speaking, it makes far more sense than some old dude with a book and arrogant idea that people need to kiss his glowing tukkis makes all the decisions about who survives eternity and who gets burnt.
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Re: Questions about Reincarnation and Afterlife planes

Postby NinjaPuppy » 15 Feb 2011, 02:10

I've heard many different ideas on reincarnation but not having your karma dictate you next life. I like it!
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Re: Questions about Reincarnation and Afterlife planes

Postby derrida » 15 Feb 2011, 04:35

i sure hope there´s reincarnation.. :)
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Re: Questions about Reincarnation and Afterlife planes

Postby NinjaPuppy » 15 Feb 2011, 07:47

derrida wrote:i sure hope there´s reincarnation.. :)

If Craig's explanation of karma and reincarnation has merit, you're coming back as a whoopie cushion. :lol:
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Re: Questions about Reincarnation and Afterlife planes

Postby ProfWag » 15 Feb 2011, 21:42

I guess I don't get it. If I was reincarnated, why don't I remember my past life? And, even if I was reincarnated, what the hell difference does it make if I'm not going to remember once I've entered my new life?
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Re: Questions about Reincarnation and Afterlife planes

Postby NinjaPuppy » 15 Feb 2011, 23:19

ProfWag wrote:I guess I don't get it. If I was reincarnated, why don't I remember my past life? And, even if I was reincarnated, what the hell difference does it make if I'm not going to remember once I've entered my new life?

Wiccan teaching says that you don't remember your past lives but you retain the lessons that you've learned during those past lives. I guess you could call the 'lessons' karma.
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Re: Questions about Reincarnation and Afterlife planes

Postby Craig Browning » 16 Feb 2011, 05:07

NinjaPuppy wrote:
ProfWag wrote:I guess I don't get it. If I was reincarnated, why don't I remember my past life? And, even if I was reincarnated, what the hell difference does it make if I'm not going to remember once I've entered my new life?

Wiccan teaching says that you don't remember your past lives but you retain the lessons that you've learned during those past lives. I guess you could call the 'lessons' karma.


I don't think that's quite right, but then it could be part of one particular tradition. Most of the witches I know claim vivid memories. . . but then, most believe they were part of King Arthur's court too. . . :twisted:


Even the Buddha stated that he couldn't recall everything from his Past Lives, just the "important lessons"

The part I laugh about, given what I've been taught on the whole Karma thing, is just how many "ethnic" lesbians we're going to be seeing in the next 100 years or so... add it up; all the spousal abuse, racism and homophobia... it's bound to give us our fair share of "tanned" females that have a thing for each other. . . but hate themselves because they are naturally "tanned" female and gay... :shock:
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Re: Questions about Reincarnation and Afterlife planes

Postby Arouet » 16 Feb 2011, 09:40

If humans keep the lessons we learned in past lives I would think we would be orders of magnitude more evolved socially than we are now.
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Re: Questions about Reincarnation and Afterlife planes

Postby Craig Browning » 16 Feb 2011, 23:54

Arouet wrote:If humans keep the lessons we learned in past lives I would think we would be orders of magnitude more evolved socially than we are now.


How many people do you know that refuse to learn from things that they've been doing wrong their entire life; who never see the patterns of self-destruction they repeat annually, let alone on a ten-year cycle?

Human's are far more pig-headed than any pig I've ever met. We keep repeating history with fervor, refusing to stop for a split second to see that we're never going to move forward, as a "race" until we let go of our pettiness. Right now we are in yet another version of the Crusades; a holy war in which the Muslims are out to prove that they have a bigger penis than the evil Jews & Christians; you'd think that 1,500 years of Bull Shit they'd finally give up, recognizing that the God they both serve is a jerk that gets his jollies by watching his followers go through hell (just read the book of Job is you doubt me).

The other blemish to this idea, that of evolving into a better society faster, is EGO -- when human beings start seeing themselves as being "Enlightened" and thus "Superior" to their fellows. . . well, in thinking such things in that particular perspective one readily finds the proverbial devil in the details -- with expressed ego manifested in the form of seeing yourself beyond or above your fellows, one is obviously flawed; Ego having no place within the spiritual scheme of existence because of the goal towards harmony -- balance. We cannot be one way or another, so until we begin learning, as a grouping, to accomplish just this it will be improbably that Utopia becomes manifested. . .

. . . besides, the children of Abraham fear the idea of global Utopia and will do everything they can to avoid it. Just look at the propaganda they have barfed up over the centuries, barring false witness against others. To their credit however, I will point out that they at least recycle their lies, applying the same exact claims to every single thing they want to taint as being evil or proof of the end days -- a means by which to sustain their bigotry and segregation. :lol:
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Re: Questions about Reincarnation and Afterlife planes

Postby ProfWag » 17 Feb 2011, 00:58

Additionally, since there are more humans alive on the planet right now than there every has been COMBINED in history, that means that some people MUST either be missing a reincarnated soul or we're reincarnated from lessons learned from animals and if THAT's the case, what lessons would they teach? The need to show my master how easy it is to lick my own testicles?
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Re: Questions about Reincarnation and Afterlife planes

Postby caniswalensis » 17 Feb 2011, 01:09

ProfWag wrote:Additionally, since there are more humans alive on the planet right now than there every has been COMBINED in history, that means that some people MUST either be missing a reincarnated soul or we're reincarnated from lessons learned from animals and if THAT's the case, what lessons would they teach? The need to show my master how easy it is to lick my own testicles?

First: Yes, I want some dog (any dog, it doesn't matter which) to show me how to do that.

Second: That thing about living v. dead population is an old myth. It's not true. http://www.snopes.com/science/stats/dead.asp Don't fee bad, I used to say that all the time myself.
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Re: Questions about Reincarnation and Afterlife planes

Postby ProfWag » 17 Feb 2011, 02:42

caniswalensis wrote:
ProfWag wrote:Additionally, since there are more humans alive on the planet right now than there every has been COMBINED in history, that means that some people MUST either be missing a reincarnated soul or we're reincarnated from lessons learned from animals and if THAT's the case, what lessons would they teach? The need to show my master how easy it is to lick my own testicles?

First: Yes, I want some dog (any dog, it doesn't matter which) to show me how to do that.

Second: That thing about living v. dead population is an old myth. It's not true. http://www.snopes.com/science/stats/dead.asp Don't fee bad, I used to say that all the time myself.

Oops, my bad. And here I thought I had actually looked that up recently and found it to be true. Must've been thinking about the ol' 10% of my brain myth. Sorry for the post, but thanks for correcting me. You're absolutely correct. In fact, according to Scientific American, based on current projections, that will never happen. Again, sorry for not fact-checking first... Broke one of my own pet-peeves...
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Re: Questions about Reincarnation and Afterlife planes

Postby caniswalensis » 17 Feb 2011, 02:59

ProfWag wrote:
caniswalensis wrote:
ProfWag wrote:Additionally, since there are more humans alive on the planet right now than there every has been COMBINED in history, that means that some people MUST either be missing a reincarnated soul or we're reincarnated from lessons learned from animals and if THAT's the case, what lessons would they teach? The need to show my master how easy it is to lick my own testicles?

First: Yes, I want some dog (any dog, it doesn't matter which) to show me how to do that.

Second: That thing about living v. dead population is an old myth. It's not true. http://www.snopes.com/science/stats/dead.asp Don't fee bad, I used to say that all the time myself.

Oops, my bad. And here I thought I had actually looked that up recently and found it to be true. Must've been thinking about the ol' 10% of my brain myth. Sorry for the post, but thanks for correcting me. You're absolutely correct. In fact, according to Scientific American, based on current projections, that will never happen. Again, sorry for not fact-checking first... Broke one of my own pet-peeves...


It happens to the best of us. :) No worries.
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Re: Questions about Reincarnation and Afterlife planes

Postby Arouet » 17 Feb 2011, 05:30

Let's start from scratch: is there any evidence that we can point to suggestive that humans retain learned lessons from prior lives?
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Re: Questions about Reincarnation and Afterlife planes

Postby ProfWag » 17 Feb 2011, 19:57

Arouet wrote:Let's start from scratch: is there any evidence that we can point to suggestive that humans retain learned lessons from prior lives?

I got nothing, but doesn't mean others might...
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