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Tilopa's poem about (non)meditation

Postby Jackal » 14 Oct 2009, 01:02

Here is something by an ancient Buddhist master about meditation and the nature of mind, which is pretty to read if you're in the mood for it. ... Mahamu.htm

Here's a great quote from it:
Obsessive use of meditative disciplines
or perennial study of scripture and philosophy
will never bring forth this wonderful realization,
this truth which is natural to awareness,
because the mind that desperately desires
to reach another realm or level of experience
inadvertently ignores the basic light
that constitutes all experience.
The one who fabricates
any division in consciousness
betrays the friendship of Mahamudra.
Cease all activity that separates,
abandon even the desire to be free from desires
and allow the thinking process to rise and fall
smoothly as waves on a shoreless ocean.
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Re: Tilopa's poem about (non)meditation

Postby Scepcop » 16 Oct 2009, 14:40

So if you desire to get enlightened, then that desire will prevent you from getting enlightened? Then how can you reach enlightenment then?
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Re: Tilopa's poem about (non)meditation

Postby brett » 17 Oct 2009, 09:56

well i guess one CAN try too hard - i mean the psketics must spend hours and hours thinking about how to debunk things - and we could hardly call some of them "enlightened " now could we ?? :twisted: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

but seriously ,i can see the point that if you try too hard and focus too hard on things - then this COULD affect your perception of things and even reality **- as i know some "super woo's " who are SO convinced that everything is paranormal AND everywhere IS haunted - they are incapable of rational introspection as to what is and what is not - and even I ( a believer by my own admission ) have no time for them - basically what this is saying ( i think) is don't try too hard and just let things come as they will - don't try and force results ;)

* those who see "demons" in everything are a case in point - but don't get me started on that subject :lol: :lol:
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Re: Tilopa's poem about (non)meditation

Postby smithshn » 12 Jun 2010, 21:08

Meditation is must required in globalization world. All person live a life to get the all things as possible as fast. So, there is the lot of pressure on the mind. To give the rest to the mind then meditation is useful for it. You can do it at anywhere. I have visited to your mention URL. But it is so much lines of the poem.
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Re: Tilopa's poem about (non)meditation

Postby Jackal » 21 Nov 2010, 04:41

Scepcop wrote:So if you desire to get enlightened, then that desire will prevent you from getting enlightened? Then how can you reach enlightenment then?

One of the requirements to become enlightened is to experience the true nature of one's mind. This is always present, but because of the strong force of our thoughts and disturbing emotions, we can't experience it.

One of the ways to experience the true nature of the mind is through various types of meditation without an object. Meditations for beginners always have an object (the breath, a mantra, an emotion, etc.). Very high forms of meditation have no object, and this is very hard. Try just being aware of being aware for a while.... You will only be able to do it for a minute or two before you get distracted and follow a thought or get lost in a daydream. Great masters can maintain this very pure awareness for long periods of time continuously. Anyway, one requirement to do this is to let go of all thoughts, including the thought that you want to attain enlightenment. Although remembering one's desire to become enlightened to benefit all beings is important before one begins meditating so that there is proper motivation.

So basically, the meaning is that one should temporarily forget about enlightenment while meditating.
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