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Did u know our Founding Fathers didn't believe in democracy?

Postby Scepcop » 31 Dec 2009, 00:17

Did you know America was never set up as a democracy but set up to PROTECT you FROM a democracy?

That's right. The founding fathers never intended America to be a democracy and in fact didn't even believe in one. Most Americans would be shocked to learn this. Anyone who casually researches the American form of government and its founding in the late 18th Century will see that technically, America was not set up as a democracy but as a Constitutional Republic. Here are some great videos that explain the difference:

The first video above contains quotes from the founding fathers expressing their thoughts about democracy, which you will see was anything but positive.

In fact, there is no mention of the word "democracy" in the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution. Even the Pledge of Allegiance cited by school children mentions that America is a republic:

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

In fact, the US Constitution and Bill of Rights were designed to PROTECT you FROM a democracy! (Most Americans would flip if they heard that) For example, in a true democracy, or a "rule by majority", if most people in your town voted to seize your property and hang you, your assets would be confiscated and you'd be hanged. Simple as that. But in a Republic with a Constitution of rights, your rights and property are protected by law. If you are accused of anything, you have the right to a fair trial. That's how a Republic works. And that's how is PROTECTS you from a true democracy.

The founding fathers were intellectual elites who knew their history. They knew that a democracy was unsustainable - a form of lawless mob rule.

Critics of democracy use this revealing analogy: "Democracy is like three wolves and one sheep voting on what's for dinner." In other words, if 51 percent of the population voted to harm or seize the property of the other 49 percent, who's going to protect the 49 percent? This reveals the inherent flaw in democracy, which America does not dare bring light to.

The ancient Greeks tried having a true democracy, but it failed and led to chaos. Even the greatest Greek philosopher, Socrates, did not believe in a true democracy. He advocated that the wisest and most virtuous rule society, not the common populace. In Plato's great work "The Republic", Socrates likened a "democracy" to the crew of a ship committing mutiny against their captain and taking the helm. In such a scenario, the ship, run by "the mob", would never be run efficiently nor get to its proper destination, as the mutineers would constantly bicker, quarrel and change their minds. There would be no order. The ship would be blown around by the wind, so to speak.

So why doesn't a true democracy work, you might ask? Well you see, most people are followers, not leaders or thinkers. They are emotional, not logical or rational. Being gullible, they are changeable on a whim, quick to jump to conclusions, and not wise. A true democracy is like having a mob take control (as in Socrates' example above) without laws or protection. It is neither efficient, stable nor sustainable.

Though on paper, America began as a Constitutional Republic, it gradually evolved into a form of oligarchy (rule by the elite), plutocracy (rule by the rich) and corporatocracy (rule by corporations). These terms are more accurate to describe America's governance than the term "democracy". Any unbrainwashed observer can see why. Yet the elite continue to perpetuate the democracy propaganda to instill patriot religious pride and fervor in its citizens, to get their compliance and obedience (ironically). They see it as a "necessary illusion" as Noam Chomsky, the renowned intellectual and American critic, would say.

This eloquent clip from the 1976 film "Network" hits the nail on the head about why America is a corporatocracy, and why ideologies no longer exist, only corporations do.

“Devotion to the truth is the hallmark of morality; there is no greater, nobler, more heroic form of devotion than the act of a man who assumes the responsibility of thinking.” - Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged
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Re: Did u know our Founding Fathers didn't believe in democracy?

Postby The Warrigal » 31 Dec 2009, 17:44

Thank you Scepcop.

I am aware that the Founding Fathers of The USA were aware of the danger inherent in democracy.

So too were British and Australian Constitutionalists.

Hence the USA is a Constitutional Republic and The United Kingdom, Canada and Australia are Constitutional Monarchies.

Theoretically at least, we are, including our legislators, governed by laws and not by men.

However, please note that I DID say "theoretically!" ;)
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Re: Did u know our Founding Fathers didn't believe in democracy?

Postby NinjaPuppy » 01 Jan 2010, 03:54

As far as I know, the only true place where a democracy worked was on pirate ships. :lol:
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Re: Did u know our Founding Fathers didn't believe in democracy?

Postby Nostradamus » 02 Jan 2010, 08:36

Democracies are not scalable. It becomes impossible to run a large system using a democracy. Imagine the chaos if everyone was out there trying to sell their vote as Nebraska did? Would anything ever be accomplished? What if ever bill that came across every town, county, state, and federal level had to be voted on by the people?
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