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Does Evil Exist?

Postby Flatman22 » 30 Sep 2011, 09:27

Hey kids, what do you think? Does evil exist? If evil does exist, then does good exist? Maybe a theory of Evil Relativity?
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Re: Does Evil Exist?

Postby Arouet » 30 Sep 2011, 10:35

This is the topic of the week on skeptiko right now.
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Re: Does Evil Exist?

Postby Flatman22 » 30 Sep 2011, 11:37

I looked for it. I found, "Is Western Society Inherently Evil". I'm just interested in opinions and ideas on the subject.

Once, I drove past a guy walking on the side of the road. I got a feeling of such extreme dread and fear from that guy that it physically weakened me. I felt that my soul was at risk. My girlfriend in the car also had the same reaction. At first sight of him our conversation ended immediately and we remained silent for the next 10 minutes. We didn't even look back in the mirrors. I know that man was Evil. Not just a bad guy, I'm talking supernatural Evil. I've spent time with convicted murderers and never felt that.

What are your thoughts/experiences regarding the Evil?
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Re: Does Evil Exist?

Postby NinjaPuppy » 30 Sep 2011, 20:09

Flatman wrote:Hey kids, what do you think? Does evil exist? If evil does exist, then does good exist? Maybe a theory of Evil Relativity?


IMO, there is no good and there is no evil. It's all about the intent and perception.
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Re: Does Evil Exist?

Postby ProfWag » 30 Sep 2011, 20:46

All one really has to do to determine if evil exists is look at Ninja's avatar... ;-)
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Re: Does Evil Exist?

Postby NinjaPuppy » 30 Sep 2011, 20:49

ProfWag wrote:All one really has to do to determine if evil exists is look at Ninja's avatar... ;-)

Ahhhh, yesssssss......cats, a perfect example! My avatar shows how "good" can also be "evil" and vice versa.
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Re: Does Evil Exist?

Postby Craig Browning » 01 Oct 2011, 03:58

NinjaPuppy wrote:
ProfWag wrote:All one really has to do to determine if evil exists is look at Ninja's avatar... ;-)

Ahhhh, yesssssss......cats, a perfect example! My avatar shows how "good" can also be "evil" and vice versa.


Considering that it looks just like my Spookie I will echo the fact that such critters are wonderful, loving things so long as you give them what they want, when the want it :?

Does Evil Exist?

Look at the past 3 years and the economic woes of the world and tell me it doesn't exist and that the "LOVE" of money hasn't been at the root of things; the greed and constant drive for total dominion over society by big business, big banks, etc. should be more than sufficient proof. We can't blame congress in ways that are concrete; they merely moved around regulations in ways their billionaire supporters wanted them moved or removed (just saw a commercial last night on EPA regulations costing people their jobs... GIVE ME A FU<KING BREAK!)

At the same time however, good must exist; you have to have both and they will ebb & flow, rise & fall, etc. for all eternity, there is no such thing as a Utopian culture though we can come amazingly close to it from time to time. Unfortunately "man' is so full of himself that we constantly strive to "fix" what's not broken and worse, some fools think that only their idea of "God" can fix anything. You'd think after 5,000 years we'd realize that God is a Teamster and only works part time while expecting full-time compensation (a.k.a. fear and homage) . . . then again, one could say that the "God of Abraham" is one of the most corrupt and evil things ever believed to exist; just look at all the hell it's justified in this world.

Who am I to argue with the facts? :mrgreen:
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Re: Does Evil Exist?

Postby meryem » 04 Nov 2011, 19:57

NinjaPuppy wrote:
Flatman wrote:Hey kids, what do you think? Does evil exist? If evil does exist, then does good exist? Maybe a theory of Evil Relativity?


IMO, there is no good and there is no evil. It's all about the intent and perception.


It's one's intent and perception that makes him evil or good. To me it's like the existence of negative and positive energy.
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Re: Does Evil Exist?

Postby Craig Browning » 04 Nov 2011, 20:58

You must have "contrast" or you can't have both; there must be light in order to have dark, etc.

Hermetic Law asks the question, "When is something hot?" What is hot or warm to me may be considerably different to another e.g. they are both the same but different by degree or level of perception. It is a rule of thumb that goes with most everything in life including that thing we face here regularly -- the difference between believer vs. skeptic. The irony being that I admit to being both and it's because of this Hermetic principle. . . I'm also gay but have strong paternal instincts (need) which resulted in my raising 10 kids over the past 30ish years. (in other words, I'm a sucker for a sob story and big sad eyes -- ask any puppy or kitten that's crossed my path) :lol:

Most folks confuse "Good v. Evil" with their sense of morality and/or ethics. In some cultures is normal and quite moral to have more than one wife and yet, the anal retentive views of the Judeo-Christian influence on much of today's society leads us to view such things as being a corruption and somehow, breaking of God's law (though you don't find it anywhere in the bible and for that matter, find that most of the great teachers in the old testament actually had several wives, mistresses and "male servants/companions") Nonetheless such practice is now viewed with contempt and seen as a perversion because of a belief and understanding the masses have been programmed to support.

Less than two generations ago it was not viewed with as much disdain and legal judgment when a man beat his spouse & children into submission, it was normal and if we go by the teachings of "Saint" Paul, his obligation (women & children -- especially female children-- were viewed as being "property" in biblical tradition, a mind-set that really didn't get "shifted" until the latter 1960s and 70's when it comes to most of the Western culture, there are still some ugly exceptions). Today, if you swat a misbehaving child on the rump with your bare hand or slap their hand, etc. you can be jailed, the child placed into state custody and you stigmatized as being an abusive parent around whom no child should be without a supervisor. . . in other words, proper parenting has become "evil" in today's passive-minded world where it was previously (within my own youth) seen as proper and a moral obligation. . . Spare the Rod, Spoil the Child.

Truth Is (when it comes to Parenting) every child is different and every child must be handled differently; spanking works for some children while a raised voice is all you need with others. I find it ironic that a Gay man knows such things while millions of "straight" parents who think themselves "more qualified" and of course "morally justified" to raise kids, don't have the first clue. :roll:

So yes, Good & Evil are a matter of perception but both must exist, at least in our minds and culture, not just as a measure for morality and ethos, but for the sake of effective conveyance & description.
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Re: Does Evil Exist?

Postby ProfWag » 04 Nov 2011, 21:15

It also depends on the level of "evil" one wants to believe. Some would say people like Richard Ramirez, Jeffery Dahmer, and John Gacy are evil. Still others, like myself, find evil in the person that pulls out in front of me and then drives 10 miles below the speed limit. But that's just me...
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