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Re: Cases of Reincarnation that skeptics can't explain

Postby Arouet » 22 Jan 2012, 07:37

Craig, however non-carnally you want to approach this: just how many souls are getting set up with bodies every day under the reincarnation hypothesis?
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Re: Cases of Reincarnation that skeptics can't explain

Postby Craig Browning » 23 Jan 2012, 12:43

How Many? :shock:

I have no way of knowing such a thing, I don't recall any one or any teaching even suggesting such a number.

You have a number of souls that have started into a human form of existence that changes constantly.
There's those that skip the process I've been speaking of, which is quite high
Those that are processed which is still a strong number of folks. . . probably 65% of the general population or more.
Then there are those migrating souls that, according to certain traditions, come from other dimensions and/or planets and taking on human life

We're talking about millions of entities, not all of which are earthbound if we're to accept traditional views around the principle.

When it comes to those manifested on this planet you have to include a multitude of things as well as scenarios that include short-lived babies and children who die from an illness or accident as well as the adults. Some traditions claim that the soul entity does not take possession of the body until the first breath is taken yet, it does hover over the mother and womb throughout the last trimester. Because of this, the "child" if aborted either deliberately or due to incident, also has a karmic result that frequently fulfills the imbalance that entity needed when it comes to the one serving as the mother/parents & family. Needless to say, this gets complicated but is actually simple when you understand the accounting process.

Critics want to scream about the math; more people alive now than ever before so how can this be, etc. but most such detractors only know the rudimentary ideas around the philosophy and don't take ALL the factors into consideration, including the soul-evolution from mineral, to plant, to animal (and species transitions) finally to human and all that involves. It's a very long, drawn-out process that I barely understand and yet, I understand the concept enough to see the logic behind it and the fact that it makes far more sense than some old dude with a book who only gives those that kissed his glowing tukkis eternal life and all others are cast into a state of eternal damnation. . . can't buy it! Far too many good and spiritually minded people in the world who are far better Christians than his hypocritical butt sniffers tend to be (and the same goes with Islam, etc. )
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Re: Cases of Reincarnation that skeptics can't explain

Postby Arouet » 24 Jan 2012, 01:45

You keep on wanting to argue around the issue I've raised: which is that there is a pragmatic issue that the reincarnated souls have to get matched up with, to the right place, and the right time, etc. with their new bodies. I don't expect you to have a well formed idea of how that would ever work, but you can at least acknowledge that it is a massive, daily, organizing job that has to get done somehow if reincarnation is occurring.
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Re: Cases of Reincarnation that skeptics can't explain

Postby Craig Browning » 25 Jan 2012, 01:40

Arouet wrote:You keep on wanting to argue around the issue I've raised: which is that there is a pragmatic issue that the reincarnated souls have to get matched up with, to the right place, and the right time, etc. with their new bodies. I don't expect you to have a well formed idea of how that would ever work, but you can at least acknowledge that it is a massive, daily, organizing job that has to get done somehow if reincarnation is occurring.


I've explained this at least four different times now. . .

The physical body is conceived by a mother set of entities that agreed to serve in the biological role of parents while everyone was in the planning stages in the Well of Souls (for lack of a better term). It must be understood that Biological Parents may not be the same as the Parental Figures that raise one after birth let alone mentors and real-world hero types.

The physical body, it's assets & defects are all tailored based on the mapping & related agreements, all of which are tied to one's Karmic obligations there's nothing else to it but that. The timing has to do with Astrological alignments but this likewise involves the geography; astrological influence won't be the same for those born at the same time but in different time zones or even hemispheres. While they will share many similarities there will be differences simply because the "karmic software" (planetary positions) will differ. The second side of this "software" centers on a series of numerological influences such as the family name (and related karma tied to the family line and similarly, the city and other entities tied to you; but again, this is all part of the plan that you and your guides/teachers put together). All of these things affect the "child" but can be fine-tuned later in life by simply changing the spelling of one's name or choosing to use a middle name instead of the first name or even an associated name such as Rob or Bob instead of Robert and so forth. All of these things affect your karmic paths good & bad, as well as your carnal strengths and potential.

There are other factors, far too many to list and explain here, but all of it is an extension to your Karmic account; what you owe but likewise what is owed to you when it comes to advantages or challenges. There is nothing or no other factor and it is all based on your own decisions and related agreements during the planning process. I honestly don't know how to make it any clearer than this, there's no factory involved, no need for a shipping & receiving warehouse and massive management team though "team work" is what gets it all done.
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Re: Cases of Reincarnation that skeptics can't explain

Postby Arouet » 25 Jan 2012, 03:25

Well, its not clear at all. Why don't you dumb it down for me with an example.

John dies. What happens next? Take me through John's rebirthing process.
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Re: Cases of Reincarnation that skeptics can't explain

Postby Craig Browning » 26 Jan 2012, 04:54

Arouet wrote:Well, its not clear at all. Why don't you dumb it down for me with an example.

John dies. What happens next? Take me through John's rebirthing process.


Go 20 posts back where I first outlined the process. . .

    You die
    There is "resting" period
    Meet with Master Guide & Teacher
    Review Most Recent Life; lessons learned & obligations, etc
    Review All Past Lives & Related Karma
    Weigh the Lessons & Karma Points to be Focused on in the New Life
    Begin Mapping The Next Life (complete with alternative courses; "musts" Do scenarios, etc.)
    Work with Entities from Past Lives to Make Agreements for the New Incarnation as to roles played, how to help one another learn/find balance, etc.
    Move into the Birthing Process
    Fulfill the Life Plan
    DIE
    Start All Over Again. . . UNLESS, you've managed to reach graduation to the higher spheres of existence.
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Re: Cases of Reincarnation that skeptics can't explain

Postby Arouet » 26 Jan 2012, 09:42

And you don't think that's a huge beaureaucratic process? Especially this:

Work with Entities from Past Lives to Make Agreements for the New Incarnation as to roles played, how to help one another learn/find balance, etc.
Move into the Birthing Process


You're glossing over the coordination, planning, genetics, location, etc. that that would entail. Just skipping over what an enourmous, complex, planning endeavour that would be in each and every instance doesn't make it simpler!
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Re: Cases of Reincarnation that skeptics can't explain

Postby Craig Browning » 27 Jan 2012, 02:05

No, I'm really not skipping over much of anything, you're just trying to make it into something bigger than it is by thinking about it from a rationalists position -- how it would get done if it was done right here on good old Terra Firma and not how things "flow" and naturally come together when you're dealing with the spiritual, such as how like minds tend to find one another in this world, especially when it comes to the spiritual adventurers but you'll see it in the academic culture as well.

When you have a connection to another entity, depending on what that mutual connection is and the intensity of the lesson that's involved, you will be naturally pulled together during the planning stage. Metaphorically, there's an In-Box for each soul that is reviewed and those other entities that need to work out karma with you and vice-versa (it's always a two-way factor) will have touched base and similarly, you can leave a message for those who've yet to arrive so arrangements can be made.

COORDINATION/MANAGEMENT . . . ok, there would be an upper-level of management tier such as you find in the film "Defending Your Life" with Albert Brooks and Meryl Streep; a film that is based on some of the more conventional perspectives around reincarnation (loosely). I don't believe this is an overly involved element however, it just helps process the paperwork so to speak. It is however, a very small group of case workers that would aid in coordinating or, more accurately, researching those things needed for programming -- imprinting onto the soul it's various talents, detriments and so forth. As I've explained this is where Astrology, Numerology and even Palmistry come into play; everything from the date your mother conceived to your birth is a key part of this process. The lines in your hands which form long before the hand can move, are part of that initial programming as is the shape of your cranium, eyes, etc. it's all a part of that cosmic software as is are the names that will be given to you. These are fine-tuning elements, few of which can be directly altered by us once we're alive and sucking air.

When it comes to this "Management" team (I admit, I actually "forgot" about this element it's been so long since I've dealt with these things) it is nominal but you do find it referenced in most religious writings as the "Heavenly Hosts" as well as "Angels" and their hierarchy (contrary to Christian propaganda and lore "Angels" aren't made when someone dies; they are not human nor were they ever human, they are a race unto themselves. New Agers and Catholic storytellers shifted things on that front) or, as it is referred to in other traditions, the "Gen" (yes, as in Genii). The other thing you'll find referenced are the 7 levels of Heaven and Hell with earth resting in the middle; it's a 5th century suggestion based on older ideology that actually relates to the 7 levels of spiritual growth vs. decay -- our ability to rise above the carnal or become subjected to it -- enslaved by it. All, tied to the deeper aspects of Reincarnation based teachings, not all of which agree with one another.

GENETICS I have explained; most of us are born into the same family group over and over but more so, we choose our parents who have in turn chosen their parents and so on, all of it based on a collection of common concerns/needs. There are those scenarios in which a soul-entity will step outside a particular racial group but this processing is typically slow, based on carnal inter-racial marriages/mating that open the door for an evolving soul to shift into that alternative path. Sometimes this is a bit more immediate however, in that an entity's karma may require it to be a certain race in order to make-up for it's gross actions towards that group in a previous life-time. These are things discussed with the Master Guide/Teacher and agreed to by the soul being processed.

GEOGRAPHICS have likewise been noted; we have karmic ties and obligations to community areas as well as nations. While some of this is fluid, when it comes to the timing of one's birth, the plans are to put the incarnate as close to that area and setting as possible (it's rarely an exact match, usually off by a few miles and in some instances, entire continents because of obligation and how karma had to place the soul in a certain region at a specific time in order to properly prepare the sentient for the life it is to live). In many lands, including the U.S. to some degree, people tend to travel a great deal and how areas affect us and vice-versa will be another factor that comes into the planning. Again, it's just you and two guides working all of this out.
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Re: Cases of Reincarnation that skeptics can't explain

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Re: Cases of Reincarnation that skeptics can't explain

Postby ProfWag » 28 May 2014, 08:44

NinjaPuppy wrote:Here is a new story: http://themindunleashed.org/2014/05/3-y ... oof-2.html

Except the "witness" couldn't remember the 3-year old's name. Oh, and by the way, the story is not a new one, only new to us. Further, from the link: "The story was told by a witness to German therapist Trutz Hardo, who went on to author a book about children and reincarnation. Hardo says that Dr. Eli Lasch, who witnessed this particular situation, told him about it before he died."

Wait, whaaaaaat?
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Re: Cases of Reincarnation that skeptics can't explain

Postby NinjaPuppy » 29 May 2014, 08:24

Who knew?
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