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Uri Geller performs under controlled conditions at SRI

Postby Scepcop » 10 Jun 2010, 17:19








Rather than listening to James Randi's religious denial and debunking, see what professional scientists and magicians say about Uri Geller at: http://www.debunkingskeptics.com/Page18.htm

Also see Hal Puthoff's rebuttal to Randi's claim that the SRI experiments with Geller lacked controls at the same link above.

To learn about the actual SOLID PROOF for psychic phenomena, see the new books by Dean Radin, Charles Tart, and Chris Carter in the SCEPCOP bookstore at: http://astore.amazon.com/religion-spirituality-20
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Re: Uri Geller performs under controlled conditions at SRI

Postby really? » 15 Jun 2010, 12:54

Listen to what the narrator says at 1:30 seconds. Again if Geller has any paranormal abilities then why wasn't there more research done. You have no evidence to show Geller can do what you hope he can. Btw nothing on your site is going to convince me because it's more rehash of stuff that's been rehashed countless times before.
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Re: Uri Geller performs under controlled conditions at SRI

Postby Indigo Child » 15 Jun 2010, 16:25

You are under a mistaken impression if you think
this site is here to convince or convert pseudoskeptics.
This site is to debunk and expose you guys and your
ignorance of science, scientific method and logic.

You harp on about wanting scientific and empirical
evidence, but when you are presented with some, you
as expected shift the goal post. You could honestly
careless about evidence, in the end you have already
made up your mind on what you want to believe.

This man Uri Geller has been subjected to 5 weeks of
rigorous scientific experiments by professional scientists
at one of the most pretigious scientific institutes in the
world. The videos above present live footage of those
experiments. Can you explain how Geller could have done
what he did through non-paranormal means?
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Re: Uri Geller performs under controlled conditions at SRI

Postby ProfWag » 15 Jun 2010, 18:04

Indigo Child wrote:
This man Uri Geller has been subjected to 5 weeks of
rigorous scientific experiments by professional scientists
at one of the most pretigious scientific institutes in the
world. The videos above present live footage of those
experiments. Can you explain how Geller could have done
what he did through non-paranormal means?

Yes, I can explain it. But why should I? I have repeatedly shown that you do not look at paranormal experiments with a critical, logical eye. You take them at face value rather than look at the controls of the experiments which are always questionable and lacking.
Why don't YOU go back and look at the controls and see what has been said about those experiments. Perhaps even the post experiment conversations where Targ even says there was not enough controls to rule out a non-paranormal event. If you'd read both sides rather than just your own pre-determined judgements, you might just learn something.
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Re: Uri Geller performs under controlled conditions at SRI

Postby ProfWag » 15 Jun 2010, 18:34

Indigo Child wrote:This man Uri Geller has been subjected to 5 weeks of
rigorous scientific experiments by professional scientists
at one of the most pretigious scientific institutes in the
world. The videos above present live footage of those
experiments. Can you explain how Geller could have done
what he did through non-paranormal means?

I was not there, but there are many ways to bend spoons and keys. However, I'll bite. This will be the last time I will take one of your claims that you, personally, have not researched, and show you that paranormal experiments all have questionable controls. Bolding mine.
"A number of the spoons were bent by one means or another during the course of our experiments. There is no doubt that the spoons were bent. The only doubt remains as to the manner of their bending. Similarly, we have rings that were bent by Mr. Geller: a copper ring and a brass ring that were manufactured at the SRI and measured to require 150 pounds of force to bend them. These rings were in Geller's hand at the time they were bent.
The following brief recap is a reminder of those experiments we feel were best controlled. They are the perception experiments, including the double-blind- hidden-object experiments, and the double-blind-die-in-the-box experiment. The two psychokinetic experiments - the depression or raising of a weight on an electric scale and the deflection of the magnetometer - also do not seem to admit of any ready counterhypothesis. What we've demonstrated here are the experiments that we performed in the laboratory and should not be interpreted as of psychic functioning."
EXPERIMENTS WITH URI GELLER
by Harold E. Puthoff, Ph.D., and Russell Targ,
Stanford Research Institute, Menlo Park, California.
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Re: Uri Geller performs under controlled conditions at SRI

Postby Indigo Child » 16 Jun 2010, 03:35

Prowag. Prove that there were insufficient controls.

The perception experiment, the double blind hidden object experiment,
and double blind die in the box experiment, the two psychokinetic experiments
were the best controlled. Geller succeeded to show his ability.

In what the SRI scientists considered unconfirmed the bending of metal objects,
he was filmed from every angle whilst attempting to bend them, and mirrors were
above above and under him showing everything he was doing. Are you saying this
is an insufficient control? The ring would require 150 pound force to bend it, where
is Geller going to muster 150 pound force from his wee fingers?

As for the analysis of the experiments by the scientists. They state this because they
have no working hypothesis, so they cannot positively state that the means are pychic,
however what is conclusive is that Geller succeeded to show his abilities under controlled
scientific conditions which eliminated all kinds of trickey. Show me how there could have
been trickery involved in what they selected as their best controlled experiments.
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Re: Uri Geller performs under controlled conditions at SRI

Postby ProfWag » 16 Jun 2010, 04:27

Indigo Child wrote:Prowag. Prove that there were insufficient controls.

The perception experiment, the double blind hidden object experiment,
and double blind die in the box experiment, the two psychokinetic experiments
were the best controlled. Geller succeeded to show his ability.

In what the SRI scientists considered unconfirmed the bending of metal objects,
he was filmed from every angle whilst attempting to bend them, and mirrors were
above above and under him showing everything he was doing. Are you saying this
is an insufficient control? The ring would require 150 pound force to bend it, where
is Geller going to muster 150 pound force from his wee fingers?

As for the analysis of the experiments by the scientists. They state this because they
have no working hypothesis, so they cannot positively state that the means are pychic,
however what is conclusive is that Geller succeeded to show his abilities under controlled
scientific conditions which eliminated all kinds of trickey. Show me how there could have
been trickery involved in what they selected as their best controlled experiments.


See my post under Puthoff and Targ discuss Gellers "powers" or whatever the hell the title is.
I explain one. That's all that needs explaining to show that Puthoff and Targ didn't have a clue what they were doing.
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