Zero - An Investigation into 9/11 (Irrefutable, MUST SEE!)

[NinjaPuppy]

[NinjaPuppy]

Yes, I did watch and comment. I start here on page 5: viewtopic.php?f=16&t=119&start=40#p6511
and I see that around page 7 of this thread, I got H1N1.

I will have to make some time to finish up watching this.

[Scepcop]

[Scepcop]

Dear ProfWag and Ninjapuppy,

I looked through this whole thread and could find no comments or discussion about these three parts. They are the most superb of the film.







If those parts have already been discussed, can you show me them? If not, can you both watch the three clips above and comment on them? That would be exciting to hear about.

ProfWag, I'd love to hear your commentary on each argument in those three clips about the 757 going into the Pentagon. They are superb and airtight and logical.

The film is very engaging and gripping. I'd love to hear Ninjapuppy's response to the clips as well.

Can't wait

PS - ProfWag, I'd also like you to explain or show me a qualified pilot who believes that a 757 can move at 500mph while 20 feet off the ground. That's never been done, nor is it possible, nor has it been done in any realistic flight simulator. Please explain that one or concede it. A real man admits when he's wrong.

Listen also to this aeronautical engineer and pilot explain why it's impossible.

http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2006/91 ... 3jun06.htm

When someone knows more than you ProfWag, you should listen to him with an open mind and humility. That's a lesson for you.

[ProfWag]

[NinjaPuppy]

I hope to be able to rewatch all of it very soon. I seem to have plenty of free time today unless the hubs decides to actually celebrate father's day and wants to go out or something.

[ProfWag]

[Scepcop]

ProfWag, it's not true that most people believe the official story. Polls show different things. A Showbiz Tonight poll taken after Charlie Sheen came out, showed a majority believing that the US government was hiding something about 9/11.

So every Truther film is propaganda and every government story is truth? LOL If so, then why won't the government answer 70 percent of the victims' familys' questions? If they have nothing to hide, why not answer all questions?! Duh! That's a major red flag. Where is your common sense man?!

Please, just watch those three clips above and address each point one by one. If you already did so in another thread (not this one) then can you copy and paste it here or point a link to it? There are too many threads for me to go through.

Ok name your pilot, his full name, and give me a way to contact him. I want him to go on record saying that a 757 can move at 500mph just 20 feet off the ground.

The burden of proof is all on you. Please address the points in the three clips, rather than call them propaganda.

If they were propaganda then how come everyone in Europe and Russia agreed with it? People there are very intelligent and educated and rational. I lived in Russia for a year and I can tell you that.

[Scepcop]

ProfWag,
One more thing. No matter how many arguments you write up denying it all, the bottom line is:

NO DEBRIS = NO EVIDENCE

There's no way around that. A 757 crash would leave substantial debris, AT THE CRASH site, not on the lawn nearby controlled by the government.

It is scientifically impossible for a 757 to disintegrate. No way around it. NONE. Stop making excuses and accept reality.

Where is the large engine of the plane? That thing is huge and made of titanium steel and can withstand 3000 degrees Celcius. No way it can vanish.

You can't escape this ProfWag. Checkmate. There's no escape. Accept it.

I'm talking about this part ProfWag. Where is it?

[Scepcop]

ProfWag,
Here are the photos of the Pentagon Crash. Please tell me WHERE the debris is and if you can see any in these photos. Just tell me yes or no? YES or NO?








One more question ProgWag:

Look at these two photos and tell me if they are the SAME part, or NOT:

Alleged 757 engine part at the Pentagon crash



A real 757 engine




Listen to this about the piece above that Bush claims is a 757 engine:

http://www.sxolsout.org.uk/

left Man stood beside what President Bush said was a 757 Engine belonging to Flight 77 at the Pentagon.
Every non-government aviation engineer asked to date has stated this engine part, left, has never been used in a Boeing 757. It simply hasn't got the strength to play any part in the operation of a one-hundred-ton-jet. Non-government aviation engineers say this is part of a missile or military drone.
below Man working on a real 757 Engine

So what's your explanation ProfWag? I'd like to see you get out of this one.

Ninjapuppy, what do you think? Do those two engine parts look the same? And do you see any debris in those pictures?

[ProfWag]

Here's your pilot info:

I’ve been a pilot for the past 27 years, first in the Italian Air Force, and then as
a check Captain for an airline.
I have a good experience as a simulator instructor and examiner, (as a matter
of fact one of my jobs was to train people with very basic experience…), and I
flew NATO AWACS planes as an Aircraft Commander (air refueling qualified)
and maritime patrol airplanes very low over water.

In my opinion the official version of the fact is absolutely plausible, does not
require exceptional circumstances, bending of any law of physics or
superhuman capabilities. Like other (real pilots) have said, the manoeuvres
required of the hijackers were within their (very limited) capabilities, they
were performed without any degree of finesse and resulted in damage to the
targets only after desperate overmanoeuvring of the planes. The hijackers
took advantage of anything that might make their job easier, and decided not
to rely on their low piloting skills. It is misleading to make people believe
that the hijackers HAD to possess superior pilot skills to do what they did.
Giulio Bernacchia
giulioberna@tin.it


Here's a great web site that properly exams many of your claims.
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread79655/pg1
Some more info that's pretty hard to refute:

Human Identification in a Post-9/11 World: Attack on American
Airlines Flight 77 and the Pentagon
Identification and Pathology
Andrew M. Baker, M.D.
On September 11, 2001, American Airlines Flight 77 was hijacked by five terrorists as part of a
coordinated attack on the United States that also involved the hijackings of American Airlines
Flight 11 (which was flown into the North Tower of the World Trade Center), United Airlines
Flight 175 (which was flown into the South Tower of the World Trade Center), and United Airlines
Flight 93 (which crashed in a field in Shanksville, Pennsylvania). AA Flight 77 was intentionally
crashed into the Pentagon, killing all 64 people on board the aircraft (terrorists, flight crew, and
passengers) and 125 people (military and civilian) in the building. The fact that this was a terrorist
attack targeting the nerve center of the U.S. Department of Defense made the identification and
handling of the human remains significantly different than a “typical” mass disaster.
The responsibility to identify and autopsy each of the decedents fell to the Office of the Armed
Forces Medical Examiner, part of the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology, headquartered in
Washington, DC. All of the human remains–of which there were more than 2000 separate
specimens–were moved to the U.S. Air Force Port Mortuary at Dover AFB, Delaware, for
evaluation. There, a multidisciplinary team of pathologists, dentists, anthropologists, fingerprint
specialists, radiologists, DNA technologists, photographers, morticians, and support personnel
used a systematic, stepwise approach to ensure that every scientifically available method was
utilized to maximize the number of victims that could be positively identified, reassociated, and
returned to the families.
This presentation will open with an overview of forensic human identification, discussing the
relative strengths and weaknesses of the various forms of presumptive and scientific human
identification and highlighting the contributions of dentistry, anthropology, fingerprinting, DNA,
and radiology. The presentation will then go inside the mortuary, showing every step in the
identification process and explaining the rationale for the identifications and examinations.
Following approximately 2½ weeks of remains processing and two months of DNA analysis, 183
unique identities were generated from the remains of those killed in the attack on the Pentagon,
yielding 178 positive identifications. Some remains for each of the terrorists were recovered, as
evidenced by five unique postmortem profiles that did not match any antemortem material
provided by victims’ families. No identifiable remains for five of the victims known to have been
killed in the attack were recovered.

[Scepcop]

[ProfWag]

[ProfWag]

In all honesty, I have watched those videos before. They are one-sided and full of telling only half the story. They are well made, but that doesn't make them accurate. (See JFK...)
So, in an effort to debunk this movie, I decided I would watch the first minute of the first video that Scepcop posted. Here are my results:
16 seconds, the narater discussing Flight 77 said the plane crashed on land. That's false. The plane did not crash on land, it crashed into a building. A concrete, reinforced building unlike any other. DEBUNKED.
39 seconds into the movie, the dude said something about there being no tell-tail evidence of an airplane. That's false. There are tons of it.
Here is a link to a video that supports my statements:
http://www.youtube.com/user/RKOwens4#p/u/53/is_qBXqObes
So, I'm not even 40 seconds into it and I've found two false statements. Can you give me a more compelling reason to search any further? I doubt it...

[NinjaPuppy]