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Postby Greatest I am » 15 Jun 2013, 02:21

Is Islam shallow for using sex in heaven as it’s main draw for Muslim men?

70 virgins in heaven. Are Muslim men shallow for falling for such an obvious lie?

Compare Islam’s heaven to Buddhism. In Buddhism your reward for following it is enlightenment and all knowledge of the universe and life.

The prize for Muslims is to offer you indulgences in excess sex. Wisdom is not mentioned, or if it is, I have not heard of it.

Muslims. Is such a heaven really something to strive for and be proud of?

Allah's heaven seems better suited to the feeble minded and those who can't comprehend the nuances of reality or want to live in a porn movie. It's truly fast food for the masses, an advertisement that everyone can comprehend because it appeals to one's basest drives. Our Sexuality.

Do you really picture Jesus and Mohamed in heaven with a bunch of virgins moving on and off their engorged members?

Do you picture Mary, watching such activity with pride?

Does PBUH stand for ---- Pieceoftail Be Upon Him?

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Postby Arouet » 15 Jun 2013, 04:24

you seem to be suggesting that its better to believe in something that appears to be less shallow but shouldn't our beliefs be based on what we think is true, not just what we wish would be true - whether its shallow or not?
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Re: Is Islam shallow for using sex in heaven as it’s main dr

Postby SydneyPSIder » 15 Jun 2013, 21:12

no, they tell suicide bombers etc that's what will be waiting for them. the suicide bombers are chosen as young, single males, no families, less to lose, and in that society an unmarried male isn't getting any. clearly to have your leader 'choose' you for a suicide bombing mission, they have to give you a worthwhile incentive, so a religious leader assures the young men that 70 virgins will be waiting for them in heaven, as they haven't had a chance to marry and get any on earth. with this 'belief' planted in their minds by a trusted imam (probably not dissimilar to a lot of beliefs held by Crusaders or soldiers in other times as a justification) they then muster up the courage to attempt the mission. we use concepts like 'national security' or 'honour' or 'duty' etc to get people to sacrifice their lives similarly.
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Re: Is Islam shallow for using sex in heaven as it’s main dr

Postby Greatest I am » 15 Jun 2013, 21:45

Arouet wrote:you seem to be suggesting that its better to believe in something that appears to be less shallow but shouldn't our beliefs be based on what we think is true, not just what we wish would be true - whether its shallow or not?


I did not say anything about other less shallow possibilities. I was just looking at Islam's virgin women in heaven policy.

But yes. A God should be able to have a better and less shallow system that would include equality for all souls.

Islam, if they believed in equality at all, would offer 72 virgin men for the females to play with. They do not.

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Re: Is Islam shallow for using sex in heaven as it’s main dr

Postby Greatest I am » 15 Jun 2013, 21:48

SydneyPSIder wrote:no, they tell suicide bombers etc that's what will be waiting for them. the suicide bombers are chosen as young, single males, no families, less to lose, and in that society an unmarried male isn't getting any. clearly to have your leader 'choose' you for a suicide bombing mission, they have to give you a worthwhile incentive, so a religious leader assures the young men that 70 virgins will be waiting for them in heaven, as they haven't had a chance to marry and get any on earth. with this 'belief' planted in their minds by a trusted imam (probably not dissimilar to a lot of beliefs held by Crusaders or soldiers in other times as a justification) they then muster up the courage to attempt the mission. we use concepts like 'national security' or 'honour' or 'duty' etc to get people to sacrifice their lives similarly.


You understand the situation yet do not think using sex to sell their beliefs shallow. Ok.

I will stick to my standards. They do not include lies.

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Re: Is Islam shallow for using sex in heaven as it’s main dr

Postby SydneyPSIder » 15 Jun 2013, 21:51

Greatest I am wrote:
SydneyPSIder wrote:no, they tell suicide bombers etc that's what will be waiting for them. the suicide bombers are chosen as young, single males, no families, less to lose, and in that society an unmarried male isn't getting any. clearly to have your leader 'choose' you for a suicide bombing mission, they have to give you a worthwhile incentive, so a religious leader assures the young men that 70 virgins will be waiting for them in heaven, as they haven't had a chance to marry and get any on earth. with this 'belief' planted in their minds by a trusted imam (probably not dissimilar to a lot of beliefs held by Crusaders or soldiers in other times as a justification) they then muster up the courage to attempt the mission. we use concepts like 'national security' or 'honour' or 'duty' etc to get people to sacrifice their lives similarly.


You understand the situation yet do not think using sex to sell their beliefs shallow. Ok.

I will stick to my standards. They do not include lies.

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haha. and what reasons were you given for occupying Iraq and Afghanistan? That did not include lies.
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Re: Is Islam shallow for using sex in heaven as it’s main dr

Postby Arouet » 15 Jun 2013, 22:25

Greatest I am wrote:I did not say anything about other less shallow possibilities. I was just looking at Islam's virgin women in heaven policy.

But yes. A God should be able to have a better and less shallow system that would include equality for all souls.


Sure, but I'm sure you'd agree that the god wouldn't have to have an equality policy.

Islam, if they believed in equality at all, would offer 72 virgin men for the females to play with. They do not.


You are presupposing that the truth must fit your ideal of it.
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Re: Is Islam shallow for using sex in heaven as it’s main dr

Postby Greatest I am » 18 Jun 2013, 05:22

Arouet wrote:
Greatest I am wrote:I did not say anything about other less shallow possibilities. I was just looking at Islam's virgin women in heaven policy.

But yes. A God should be able to have a better and less shallow system that would include equality for all souls.


Sure, but I'm sure you'd agree that the god wouldn't have to have an equality policy.

Islam, if they believed in equality at all, would offer 72 virgin men for the females to play with. They do not.


You are presupposing that the truth must fit your ideal of it.


I think any God or man worth the title would have an equality policy if he is a moral entity.

We are not talking of anything that has been shown as truth.

I do not have to believe in the fantasy of a bunch of virgins after death to know that it is a stupid and immoral idea.

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Re: Is Islam shallow for using sex in heaven as it’s main dr

Postby SydneyPSIder » 18 Jun 2013, 09:19

Greatest I am wrote:I think any God or man worth the title would have an equality policy if he is a moral entity.

We are not talking of anything that has been shown as truth.

I do not have to believe in the fantasy of a bunch of virgins after death to know that it is a stupid and immoral idea.

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Wow, so in a roundabout way, you are telling us that middle eastern culture and religious beliefs going back a few thousand years are a bit patriarchal and silly. What a surprise.

What is also silly is how the religious right in America believe much the same thing. no virgins in heaven, but theocracy, patriarchy, dominion and ownership of women, double standards, lack of equality, etc are entrenched in their thinking, in wage setting, and in the cracked policies around establishing a theocracy and owning women's bodies they keep putting forward. That's because 'the bible' is also a middle eastern cultural product that worked its way into Europe. Who are the dickheads now?

(I also think it's 70 virgins, because '7' has been a magical number in middle eastern thinking for thousands of years, in both Islam and Judaism. Multiples of 7 are also magical, in fact even more magical, e.g. 70, 700, 70 x 7, etc. You see how it works.)
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Re: Is Islam shallow for using sex in heaven as it’s main dr

Postby Arouet » 18 Jun 2013, 20:20

Greatest I am wrote:I think any God or man worth the title would have an equality policy if he is a moral entity.


Why must a god be a moral entity? Why does the ability to create a universe necessarily entail that the god has motives that you would consider to be moral?

I do not have to believe in the fantasy of a bunch of virgins after death to know that it is a stupid and immoral idea.


And yet it could be that a god is partial to ideas you consider stupid and immoral.
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Re: Is Islam shallow for using sex in heaven as it’s main dr

Postby really? » 18 Jun 2013, 21:34

Greatest I am wrote:Is Islam shallow for using sex in heaven as it’s main draw for Muslim men?

70 virgins in heaven. Are Muslim men shallow for falling for such an obvious lie?

Compare Islam’s heaven to Buddhism. In Buddhism your reward for following it is enlightenment and all knowledge of the universe and life.

The prize for Muslims is to offer you indulgences in excess sex. Wisdom is not mentioned, or if it is, I have not heard of it.

Muslims. Is such a heaven really something to strive for and be proud of?

Allah's heaven seems better suited to the feeble minded and those who can't comprehend the nuances of reality or want to live in a porn movie. It's truly fast food for the masses, an advertisement that everyone can comprehend because it appeals to one's basest drives. Our Sexuality.

Do you really picture Jesus and Mohamed in heaven with a bunch of virgins moving on and off their engorged members?

Do you picture Mary, watching such activity with pride?

Does PBUH stand for ---- Pieceoftail Be Upon Him?

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DL


From what I can see, you are not Muslim and your knowledge of Islam is atrociously misinformed and superficial. You appear from your writings to only want to foment hatred. Btw, I am not Muslim.
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Re: Is Islam shallow for using sex in heaven as it’s main dr

Postby SydneyPSIder » 18 Jun 2013, 22:07

Arouet wrote:
Greatest I am wrote:I think any God or man worth the title would have an equality policy if he is a moral entity.


Why must a god be a moral entity? Why does the ability to create a universe necessarily entail that the god has motives that you would consider to be moral?

I do not have to believe in the fantasy of a bunch of virgins after death to know that it is a stupid and immoral idea.


And yet it could be that a god is partial to ideas you consider stupid and immoral.

waal, apparently not, the qu'ran and torah and bible (the 3 main middle eastern monotheistic texts) tell us that god is really moral, and has to keep reminding jumped up chimp homo sapiens how to behave morally on pain of being smote or going to hell or being conquered by your enemies and enslaved for decades. of course, these books, writings and teachings are not just tools of social control written by others and the record of a society's legal system wrapped up with its religion.
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Re: Is Islam shallow for using sex in heaven as it’s main dr

Postby Greatest I am » 27 Jun 2013, 23:18

SydneyPSIder wrote:
Greatest I am wrote:I think any God or man worth the title would have an equality policy if he is a moral entity.

We are not talking of anything that has been shown as truth.

I do not have to believe in the fantasy of a bunch of virgins after death to know that it is a stupid and immoral idea.

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Wow, so in a roundabout way, you are telling us that middle eastern culture and religious beliefs going back a few thousand years are a bit patriarchal and silly. What a surprise.

What is also silly is how the religious right in America believe much the same thing. no virgins in heaven, but theocracy, patriarchy, dominion and ownership of women, double standards, lack of equality, etc are entrenched in their thinking, in wage setting, and in the cracked policies around establishing a theocracy and owning women's bodies they keep putting forward. That's because 'the bible' is also a middle eastern cultural product that worked its way into Europe. Who are the dickheads now?

(I also think it's 70 virgins, because '7' has been a magical number in middle eastern thinking for thousands of years, in both Islam and Judaism. Multiples of 7 are also magical, in fact even more magical, e.g. 70, 700, 70 x 7, etc. You see how it works.)


In a roundabout way perhaps but hopefully effective.

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Re: Is Islam shallow for using sex in heaven as it’s main dr

Postby Greatest I am » 27 Jun 2013, 23:20

Arouet wrote:
Greatest I am wrote:I think any God or man worth the title would have an equality policy if he is a moral entity.


Why must a god be a moral entity? Why does the ability to create a universe necessarily entail that the god has motives that you would consider to be moral?

I do not have to believe in the fantasy of a bunch of virgins after death to know that it is a stupid and immoral idea.


And yet it could be that a god is partial to ideas you consider stupid and immoral.


Then he would be more of a Satan than a God.

If your God is not moral then you follow Satan.

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Re: Is Islam shallow for using sex in heaven as it’s main dr

Postby Greatest I am » 27 Jun 2013, 23:22

really? wrote:
Greatest I am wrote:Is Islam shallow for using sex in heaven as it’s main draw for Muslim men?

70 virgins in heaven. Are Muslim men shallow for falling for such an obvious lie?

Compare Islam’s heaven to Buddhism. In Buddhism your reward for following it is enlightenment and all knowledge of the universe and life.

The prize for Muslims is to offer you indulgences in excess sex. Wisdom is not mentioned, or if it is, I have not heard of it.

Muslims. Is such a heaven really something to strive for and be proud of?

Allah's heaven seems better suited to the feeble minded and those who can't comprehend the nuances of reality or want to live in a porn movie. It's truly fast food for the masses, an advertisement that everyone can comprehend because it appeals to one's basest drives. Our Sexuality.

Do you really picture Jesus and Mohamed in heaven with a bunch of virgins moving on and off their engorged members?

Do you picture Mary, watching such activity with pride?

Does PBUH stand for ---- Pieceoftail Be Upon Him?

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From what I can see, you are not Muslim and your knowledge of Islam is atrociously misinformed and superficial. You appear from your writings to only want to foment hatred. Btw, I am not Muslim.


I don't care what you are. Speak of the issue or be gone.

Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people. Eleanor Roosevelt

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