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Re: Sign these petitions for a new REAL 9/11 investigation!

Postby ProfWag » 20 Aug 2012, 21:36

Misha wrote:Were you fellas aware of this letter? When we met the colonel at his ranch in Madison, Virginia, Benton Partin, Eustace Mullins, Deborah Simon and SSAC Ted Gunderson were in attendance. Eustace and Ted has since passed away. Yeah, it was a real barn burner. And yes, I have signed on.


Hi Misha,
Just to clarify, YOU met Donn de Grand Pre? If so, when?
Thanks.
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Re: Sign these petitions for a new REAL 9/11 investigation!

Postby Misha » 20 Aug 2012, 22:03

Spring of 2003. I spoke with Donn several times by phone too.
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Re: Sign these petitions for a new REAL 9/11 investigation!

Postby ProfWag » 20 Aug 2012, 22:24

Misha wrote:Spring of 2003. I spoke with Donn several times by phone too.

Hmpf. Pretty cool. What branch of service did he say he served in?
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Re: Sign these petitions for a new REAL 9/11 investigation!

Postby Misha » 20 Aug 2012, 22:46

If memory serves as being correct. Donn served in the Army going back to the South East Asian days in the late forties. Specifically, the "Ledo" road from Indian to Burma. Donn saw first hand the beginnings of the opium trail which hooked many GIs on heroin during the Vietnam war.

I'm sure you can Google Grand Pre and find his background. Donn was truly the salt of the earth.
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Re: Sign these petitions for a new REAL 9/11 investigation!

Postby ProfWag » 20 Aug 2012, 23:08

Misha wrote:If memory serves as being correct. Donn served in the Army going back to the South East Asian days in the late forties. Specifically, the "Ledo" road from Indian to Burma. Donn saw first hand the beginnings of the opium trail which hooked many GIs on heroin during the Vietnam war.

I'm sure you can Google Grand Pre and find his background. Donn was truly the salt of the earth.

Thank you. I have "googled" him (which is why I asked the question) and I find that he claims to have retired from the Army, the Air Force, AND the Marine Corps, depending on what he was claiming at the time. The only military reference I could find of him other than his own words, was that he was an E-7 (that's an enlisted rank and not a "Colonel.") I also notice that he does not use his rank on his book covers.
I have also found that he names Major Rick gibner as the pilot who shot down flight 93, yet official records indicate that it would have been physically impossible for him to have done that.
It appears that "Colonel" de Grand Pre may have some credibility issues. Since I'm a 24-year veteran myself, I wouldn't appreciate that--if true.
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Re: Sign these petitions for a new REAL 9/11 investigation!

Postby Misha » 20 Aug 2012, 23:20

ProfWag. Why don't you see if you can find Donn's DD-214 form. Also, I went and looked through Donn's books, again. There are letters and pictures of Donn in service of the United States. Get his books "Barbarians Inside the Gates."
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Re: Sign these petitions for a new REAL 9/11 investigation!

Postby ProfWag » 21 Aug 2012, 00:13

Misha wrote:ProfWag. Why don't you see if you can find Donn's DD-214 form. Also, I went and looked through Donn's books, again. There are letters and pictures of Donn in service of the United States. Get his books "Barbarians Inside the Gates."

Believe me, I would love to find his 214 but I'm not his next-of-kin and he retired less than 68 years ago...

I believe I mentioned earlier that I don't read books written by CTers. I need more substantial evidence than that. I will say that I've read a few of his interviews and he seems to like the word "probably" a lot. "Probably" means he doesn't know so unless I can be presented with something that makes me believe that he's genuine, I'll move on to the next 9/11 subject.

Thanks for the info though.
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Re: Sign these petitions for a new REAL 9/11 investigation!

Postby Misha » 21 Aug 2012, 02:31

Before you move on, maybe I can help you nail down Donn's past military service. You were in the military for 24 years, correct. You may be able to reach out to people who might have served with Donn or know of him. Here's a list for starters:

1) Mr. R. Grand Pre, Office of The Assistant Secretary of Defense, International Security Affairs, Washington D.C., 20301. I got this address from a June 17, 1970 from Harry S. Truman to Donn.

2) Donn was with the 25th Infantry Division, Munsan-ni, Korea, 1953.

3)Donn was also with the "Wolfhounds" in Korea, 1953.

4) Donn (Major-U.S. Army Reserve) was appointed to the civilian head of the Standardization Office. Photo of Donn with Major Anne Cummings, chief of Public Relations, Department of Army. Donn was present at the ABC Standardization Reception held at the Officers Club, For Myer, Virginia, January 8, 1959.

5) Letter to Donn from General Harold K. Johnson, United States Army, Chief of Staff, August 10, 1964.

6) Picture of Donn (Deputy Chief International Division) with General Tradeau, Chief Research & Development, Colonel Yates and his wife, Chief Atomic Division, Ft. Myer, 1962.

7) Colonel Donn Grand Pre, Commander, Special Troops, U.S. Army Reserve, Washington, D.C., July 7, 1971. This is a photo.

8) Letter from United State Senator George Allen, February 11, 2003 to Donn

9) Letter from Henry H. Shelton, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff to Donn on March 19, 1999. Shelton address Donn as Colonel.

10) letter to Donn from H. J. McChrystal, Jr., Office of the Secretary of Defense (International Security Affairs), Washington, D. C., 22301.

11) Letter to Donn from Stanley A. McChrystal, Major General, USA, Vice Director for Operations (J-3), April 21, 2003.

12) Letter to Donn from Robert R. Ivany, Major General, U.S. Army - Commandant, U.S. Army War College, Carlisle Barracks, 122 Forbes Avenue, Carlise, Pennsylvania, 17013-5210. Letter dated October 6, 2000

13) Letter to Donn from William M. Steele, Major General, U.S. Army, Commanding. Letter dated January 18, 1994.

14) Letter to Donn from C. A. H. Waller, Lieutenant General, U.S. Army. Letter dated August 20, 1991.

15) Letter from "The American Cause" from Angela "Bay" Buchanan (Patrick Buchanan's wife) to Donn. Call 1-800-65CAUSE (If still in service). Pat Buchanan was/is Chairman. Letter dated June 22, 1994.

16) Letter from Shelton E. Lollis to Lt. Gen. James G. Kalergis, Commanding General, First U. S. Army, Fort Mead, Maryland, 20755 regarding to Donn Grand Pre. Letter dated September 17, 1974

17) Letter from Don A. Wilkinson, Colonel, QMC, Commandant, Department of the Army, United States Army Logistics Management Center, Fort Lee, Virginia, 23801 to Lieutenent General Howard M. Fish, Director, Defense Security Assistance Agency, Room 4E837, Pentagon, Washington D.C., 20301 in reference to Donn Grand Pre. Letter was dated August 19, 1975.

18) Letter from Theodore H. Andrews, Brigadier General, GS, Acting Deputy Chief of Staff for Individual Training to the Secretary of Defense, International Security Affairs (Military Assistance and Sales), Room 4B682, Pentagon, Washington D.C., 20301. The letter was about Donn in regards to a presentation he had done. Letter is dated December 1, 1969.

19) Letter to Donn at Assistant Secretary of Defense for Manpower and Organization, Washington D. C., 2031 from Dean Acheson. Letter is dated May 29, 1968,

20) Letter to Donn Grand Pre From Melvin R. Laird, Senior Counsellor: National and International Affairs. Letter dated March 21, 1979.

21) Letter from Bill Clements (From the office of The Deputy Secretary Of Defense, Washington D.C., 20301 to Director Defense Security Assistance Agency regarding Donn Grand Pre. Letter dated May 23, 1973.

22) Letter to Donn Grand Pre from Patrick J. Buchanan, White House Special Consultant to the President. Letter dated November 8, 1973.
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Re: Sign these petitions for a new REAL 9/11 investigation!

Postby ProfWag » 21 Aug 2012, 04:48

Thank you Misha. Further research this afternoon into his death records shows he was buried at a National Cemetary which requires military service. I'm hip that he was in the military, though probably Guard or Reserve which would explain his on again/off again use of his rank.
I would love to see that letter you reference above from General Shelton to him. I read that General Shelton (one of my former COs) states he doesn't remember Colonel Grandpre.
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Re: Sign these petitions for a new REAL 9/11 investigation!

Postby Misha » 21 Aug 2012, 18:50

Try this number, ProWag. I see no harm in posting the late colonel's number. Donn used this number to send out his books. If this number is still working you'll probably get Donn's wife Ursula or his daughter Doneva. I might also add that his son Kevin might pick up also. Order the books, ProfWag. The General Shelton letter is in Book III called Rattler's Revenge.
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Re: Sign these petitions for a new REAL 9/11 investigation!

Postby NinjaPuppy » 22 Aug 2012, 20:15

Misha - We don't advocate the posting of personal information. Especially information of a third party without their permission.
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Re: Sign these petitions for a new REAL 9/11 investigation!

Postby Misha » 23 Aug 2012, 01:23

No problem, NinjaPuppy. Though, Keep in mind that the number has been advertised in the "American Free Press." Please call them if you need a confirmation.
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Re: Sign these petitions for a new REAL 9/11 investigation!

Postby SydneyPSIder » 13 Sep 2012, 19:38

Edx wrote:One of the problems is that not a single AE911 promoter can explain what kinds of explosives were used or give any kind of coherent explanation of how they worked.

Richard Gage for example displays total ignorance for how explosives work. He will start talking about how these explosives were so intense they flung steel away from the towers, and then say it was quiet because they used thermite. ...


??? -- thermite/thermate to shear through the bolts holding the 10m (3 storey) columns together, followed by a shaped C4 charge to blow out the structure itself at the weakened points. Plus explosives in the basement to weaken the foundations, which went off before the projectile strikes (if projectiles did hit both towers and not just more explosives). WTC7 also experienced major explosions in the basement before any strikes. I doubt the petitions will do any good, as the 'govt inside the govt' obviously doesn't want the true story to ever come out.

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Re: Sign these petitions for a new REAL 9/11 investigation!

Postby Scepcop » 18 Sep 2012, 19:27

Common sense questions for anti-conspiracy people to ask themselves:

If fire can demolish skyscrapers in a few hours, then why do demolition companies need 2 or 3 months to rig it with explosives to destroy it? Wouldn't fire put demolition companies out of business?

Buildings don't have zero resistance. If they did, the roof above you would collapse on you right now. Yet the WTC and Building 7 had near zero resistance. The government can't explain that. So they avoid such questions and call you crazy if you ask them. You aren't supposed to think about stuff like that. You are supposed to only care about the basketball game and whatever shit the mainstream media talk about. Thinking is not normal. Truth is whatever authority tells you and whatever others repeat. That's all you're supposed to know.

Next time you're on an airline, turn on your cell phone, look at the zero signal strength on your phone display, and ask yourself "If this plane were hijacked, could I make calls to my loved ones from my cell phone, as the official story claims you can?" Better yet, ask the flight attendant, "Excuse me, if my cell phone can't get any signals on this plane, then how were the passengers on the airlines on 9/11 able to make calls?" and watch their face look shocked at such a logical question that is taboo to ask.

Always remember this: Authority is not truth. Truth is the Authority.
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Re: Sign these petitions for a new REAL 9/11 investigation!

Postby ProfWag » 18 Sep 2012, 21:02

Scepcop wrote: Common sense questions for anti-conspiracy people to ask themselves:

If fire can demolish skyscrapers in a few hours, then why do demolition companies need 2 or 3 months to rig it with explosives to destroy it? Wouldn't fire put demolition companies out of business?

If it takes 2 or 3 months to rig a building, why did no one see anyone doing it?
Scepcop wrote:Buildings don't have zero resistance. If they did, the roof above you would collapse on you right now. Yet the WTC and Building 7 had near zero resistance. The government can't explain that. So they avoid such questions and call you crazy if you ask them. You aren't supposed to think about stuff like that. You are supposed to only care about the basketball game and whatever shit the mainstream media talk about. Thinking is not normal. Truth is whatever authority tells you and whatever others repeat. That's all you're supposed to know.

You said in the first line that buildings don't have zero resistance. No one questions that. In the next line, you said the buildings had "near" zero resistance. If your first statement was relevant, then your second statement wouldn't have used the word "near." You can't compare the two. You're trying to put a thought in someone's head that is totally irrelavant to your point, thus your statement is invalid and not common sense as you suggest.

Scepcop wrote:Next time you're on an airline, turn on your cell phone, look at the zero signal strength on your phone display, and ask yourself "If this plane were hijacked, could I make calls to my loved ones from my cell phone, as the official story claims you can?" Better yet, ask the flight attendant, "Excuse me, if my cell phone can't get any signals on this plane, then how were the passengers on the airlines on 9/11 able to make calls?" and watch their face look shocked at such a logical question that is taboo to ask.

You obviously don't know what you're talking about. Cell phones can and do work on planes. In fact, it's legal on many European airlines and passengers in the States break the law on average of 1 to 4 times per flight. Do some research Winston. Please?
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