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What Awful Stupidity is this ? Sandy Hook Truthers

Postby really? » 17 Jan 2013, 03:31

This is beyond belief.
Why Sandy Hook Massacre Spawned Conspiracy Theories
One month after the Sandy Hook school shootings, the list of victims continues to grow. One man, Gene Rosen — who found six children and a bus driver in his driveway, brought them into his home, fed them and called parents to assure them that their children were safe — has been harassed by telephone, email and online by those who think he is lying about his actions, and is part of a conspiracy.

Rosen is not the first hero to be assaulted and insulted by conspiracy theorists with doubts. In 2002, when conspiracy theorist Bart Sibrel confronted astronaut Buzz Aldrin and called him a "coward and a liar" for faking the moon landings, the 72-year-old promptly punched Sibrel in the face.

A group called the Sandy Hook Truther movement has emerged from the dust and chaos over the past weeks to claim that the school shooting was all a staged event. Though many Americans are outraged and incredulous that anyone could doubt that the tragedy even happened, the Sandy Hook school shootings follow classic conspiracy thinking. Here are a few reasons why.
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Re: What Awful Stupidity is this ? Sandy Hook Truthers

Postby SydneyPSIder » 17 Jan 2013, 07:21

It's incredibly stupid, in that there is not one scintilla of evidence to suggest a 'conspiracy' behind this event, nor is there probabilistic or circumstantial evidence, and it is driven completely by suspicion -- unlike the evidence that is present in other events that are labelled 'conspiracy'. If one scintilla of evidence did appear, I suppose we would then have to look at it.
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Re: What Awful Stupidity is this ? Sandy Hook Truthers

Postby SydneyPSIder » 23 Jan 2013, 19:38

Well, is this the 'evidence'? Without prejudging the intentions of the author, is there any credibility to the claims? Note that re-publishing this material does not imply it is a view I subscribe to. I have in no way fact-checked the claims against any other source.

Thoughts? ... of-control

The Newtown Bee
December 14, 2012

Sandy Hook School Principal Dawn Hochsprung told The Bee that a masked man entered the school with a rifle and started shooting multiple shots - more than she could count - that went "on and on."

How could the principal have survived to give this statement to local press describing what happened ... if she was one of the first to be killed? Incidentally, The Newtown Bee's article was taken down yesterday. Of course, a plausible explanation is that a reporter mistook another teacher for the principal.

We were initially told that two handguns - a Glock and a Sig Sauer - were found next to the body of the dead shooter, while a third weapon, a .223-caliber rifle was also recovered "in the trunk of a car" later, in the school's parking lot. All of the weapons were allegedly legally bought and registered in Nancy Lanza's name. The car was later identified as a black Honda, also registered in her name. More weapons have since been introduced to the story but we'll get back to those later on.

Besides anonymous 'law enforcement officials' telling the media that Adam Lanza was a former pupil at the school, they also said his mother was currently a teacher there, that she was found among the dead and that her son had specifically sought out her classroom first. But when it emerged that teaching staff at the school had never heard of a Nancy Lanza, it was suggested that she was a substitute teacher whose name therefore mightn't appear on staff lists.

But this claim too has disappeared down the memory hole because it's now known that neither Nancy nor her son had any connection with the school whatsoever. Adam Lanza was in fact home-schooled. Nancy Lanza has since been painted as a "survivalist" who loved firearms, taught her sons how to shoot and was "stockpiling" because she was "worried about economic collapse."

The live emergency services audio feed from the scene reveals some interesting observations from first responders that have been completely overlooked by the mainstream media. Note that the unedited version lasts over two hours, so the abridged version I'm going to quote from has a compressed sequence of events that are not in real time. In this abridged version, we hear at 1.38' a report that gunfire is still being heard, even though the shooting was supposed to have ended by the time police arrived. The next report at 2.35' says that the shooting has stopped and the school is "in lockdown". At 3.23', the police relay a teacher's report that she saw "two shadows running past the gym" [not "two shooters", as we previously reported on]. This is followed by another officer on the scene who says, "Yeh, we got 'em, they're coming at me! ... [inaudible] ... Coming up the driveway real slowly!" That same officer at 5.40' says he has them "proned out", which presumably means he has apprehended them and they are laid out on the ground, before another officer comes on to say, "be aware that we do have a second [inaudible] ..."
Perhaps most astonishingly, this suspect arrested in the woods was named in an Associated Press report as 24-year-old Ryan Lanza. The original report has long since vanished of course, but you can see it referenced here. This was despite the fact that Ryan had already been named as the deceased suspect inside the school, lying next to two handguns.

Ryan Lanza was actually at work in Hoboken, New Jersey, that morning when his name and photo began circulating in the media. And so, for most of Friday, the 'lone shooter' was erroneously reported as "Ryan Lanza, confirmed dead." At the same time, we were being told that Ryan's girlfriend and a room-mate were reported missing, also from Hoboken, New Jersey.
There are also conflicting reports about how the gunmen entered the building. We were told initially that they came in through the main front entrance and proceeded straight to the administrators'/principal's offices. But Sandy Hook elementary school has a security system with a video monitor, which allows staff to screen visitors before buzzing them in. A "masked gunman dressed in black tactical combat gear" from head to toe would kinda raise red flags, don't you think?

I really don't like discussing this tragedy, but that is a weird article and analysis. Comparisons with LHO and being a patsy, of course. The writer seems rational and discredits a couple of the more outlandish theories and connections. Or is this some weird kind of re-invention, I haven't had anywhere near the full media coverage of events on this side of the world. Or at the very least, if the claims about changing reports about Ryan Lanza are true, then the US news services are very garbled and go off half-cocked with pieces of half-baked misinformation as a story breaks -- which is quite possible given the frenzy to file a breaking story asap. 'Keen' journalism and Chinese whispers?

i.e. are there just a lot of 2nd amendment and survivalist nutters clutching at straws on this one? There's a hell of a lot of youtube insanity already skewing this.

I'm also in no way connecting this to the Aurora event, nor implying some grand conspiracy to orchestrate a series of events leading to eventual gun control in the US, presumably. The CTers and rabid right have flipped out on a lot of spurious pieces of trivia, judging from the youtube stuff that pops up.

See also The Dot Connector, a conspiracy theorist's dream publication, at ... duct_id=28
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Re: What Awful Stupidity is this ? Sandy Hook Truthers

Postby SydneyPSIder » 25 Jan 2013, 03:36

Then there is the Nehemiah Griego case -- now parents will be too scared to even ground or discipline their kids? Those parents who keep assault rifles at home and train their kids in how to use them from an early age, that is. Good preparation for a happy military career invading resource rich countries on command! It's a little hard for the 'truthers' in this case to accuse this one of being a set-up.
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Re: What Awful Stupidity is this ? Sandy Hook Truthers

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Re: What Awful Stupidity is this ? Sandy Hook Truthers

Postby drastikmeazures » 12 Feb 2013, 10:35

That video hit's on everything I was going to say Sydney PSIder, nice find. I need to send that to a couple of my shooting buddies who where buyin in to that crap.
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Re: What Awful Stupidity is this ? Sandy Hook Truthers

Postby SydneyPSIder » 25 Aug 2014, 22:55

Some more recent findings about Sandy Hook from Jim Fetzer and associates. It looks increasingly suspicious. It looks like a 'drill' that was turned into a propaganda exercise, possibly seen as the only way to achieve gun control in the US. It's probable no children or adults were hurt at all. Sandy Hook is a 'company town', and a bunch of new information has come to light -- mortgages were paid off completely for certain people in the town all on the same day a year or two earlier, there is a strong likelihood that SHES had not been used for 4 years prior as a school, that it was a storage facility, and was full of asbestos. There were absolutely no stories in the local papers about events and achievements at that ES for 4 years, unlike all the other schools in the area. Media footage showed police running into a different building entirely. There was strange footage of the locals walking around and around in circles in the fire station nearby, as though they were shooting a 'milling in confusion' scene. There seems to be some greenscreen footage created also. Parents don't seem upset, and none of them are suing anyone, unlike Columbine. None of them really cried at all in public or were overwrought, and they seemed to love the limelight, smiling with the President the very next day for photo ops. No one screamed and carried on about gun control, unlike more recent real events. There is a question over whether pictures of the young children are just younger shots of older children brought in, alleged to be their younger sisters and brothers, and some of the family shots seem photoshopped to include the children. Port-a-potties were suddenly available in abundance on the day, but no helicopter aeromed evac was available -- more like what you would do if you were shooting fake footage at an abandoned school with no facilities and had to provide for your child and adult actors. There is no evidence of 500-600 supposedly enrolled students being in attendance that day or needing to be evacuated -- there was only 1 school bus in evidence, whereas you would need half a dozen to take the children away. The story of the kids being dropped at a strange unknown house down the street is odd (the Rosen house, right next to the fire station where the emergency workers were), you don't do that to kids. Websites were set up asking for money etc PRIOR to the day. A bunch of 26 Xmas trees were stashed behind the fire station prior to the event, later claimed to be a donation from another state for each child killed. There were anomalies with the type and location of weapons reported being used which don't hold water. There is a doubt Adam Lanza even existed, none of his neighbours knew anything about him, and they knew their neighbours' business -- he had never been seen -- he is more a hypothetical 'disaffected profile'. There was supposed to be a new security system at the (abandoned) school, but no footage is available and it somehow 'failed'. The principal was reported by the Newtown Bee to have commented on the killing to the paper, but other accounts had the same principal killed almost at once and unable to report anything after the fact. Some of the 'teachers' on video appear to be crisis actors. A guy apprehended earlier running through the woods with a rifle was deemed 'innocent' and was supposedly a policeman from an adjacent precinct, but what was he doing with a rifle near the school and no-one else around and no business being there? Lockdowns everywhere, inability to access info under FOI everywhere, etc. If you visit Newtown today and ask questions, all the locals clam up. The Newtown Bee seems to be involved in it, and they are very cagey and 'busy' when approached now. You have to ask who, and how many people, in US intelligence work together to orchestrate these kinds of deceptions.

There are many many anomalies about SH which raise doubts about its authenticity, to which I’ll add the following:

1. The strange demeanor of the parents of supposedly slaughtererd SH children Not a single parent displayed signs of grief — no tears, no red eyes and red noses from crying) –in their TV interviews immediately after the massacre. Some, like Robbie Parker (scroll up to Fetzer’s post for the video) feigned crying with sounds of choking and sobbing, but not a single tear nor even tears welling in their eyes. Others were serene, composed, and downright joyful, the mothers with coiffed hair and perfect makeup.
See ... ou-decide/

2. Sandy Hook donation/RIP/therapeutic webpages with dates of creation a day of more BEFORE the massacre. See

* ... -massacre/
* ... -massacre/

3. The remarkable physical resemblance of some (living) Sandy Hook adults and children with professional actress Jennifer Greenberg Sexton and her family (husband, father, daughter, son). See
* ... is-actors/
* ... er-sexton/

4. The fact that Social Security Death Index (SSDI) originally had Adam Lanza’s date-of-death (DoD) as Dec. 13, 2012, one day BEFORE he murdered 27 people in Newtown. After bloggers discovered this most curious fact, SSDI then changed his DoD to Dec. 14, 2012. See ... -massacre/

5. The fact that CNN’s live footage on the day of the massacre had police and first responders running into a school that is NOT Sandy Hook Elementary School. See ... er-school/

6. The continuing secrecy of local and state officials, including:

(a) Refusal to make public the death certificates of the 28 people who died on Dec. 14, 2012 — even Adam Lanza’s! — ostensibly to save the grieving parents of the 20 murdered children more grief and distress, despite Freedom of Information Act requests from the media, incl. the AP. See ... tificates/

(b). Requiring Consigli Construction workers, who tore down Sandy Hook Elementary School months after the massacre, allegedly because of asbestos infestation, sign confidentiality agreements forbidding public discussion of the site, photographs or disclosure of any information about the building. See ... entiality/

(c) The FBI designating its information on SH to be “Classified.” Despite The Hartford Courant‘s article on the FBI releasing documents on SH, those documents are so heavily redacted (blacked out), they are meaningless. See ... -massacre/

(d) Wolfgang Halbig, Jim Fetzer, and others not getting even a single response from local and state officials, incl. the Newtown Board of Education, to their entirely reasonable questions. See

* ... ng-halbig/
* ... hook-hoax/ ... d-the-cia/

Halbig pointed to the fact that none of the parents filed lawsuits against the school as a suspicious sign. “Guess what, not one parent has filed a lawsuit. This is un-American. In America, we file lawsuits. I was at Columbine, 14 children who died, every parent filed a lawsuit. 23 children were severely shot and severely injured, every parent filed a lawsuit. Why haven’t the parents here in Sandy Hook filed a lawsuit? It’s unimaginable,” Halbig told Bidondi.

Below is the list of “SIXTEEN QUESTIONS THAT DEMAND THE TRUTH” from Halbig’s blog. He is asking everyone remained focused in trying to get answers for these questions, as he feels they will reveal what really happened that fateful December day.

1. Who directed the New Haven Federal Bureau of Investigation field office to classify the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting (SHES)?

2. Why and for what reason would the FBI classify the SHES shooting when they did not classify the Columbine shooting which also was an Active Shooter Mass Casualty Incidents (AS/MCI)?

3. Who on was the Incident Commander as required by the Federal Emergency Management Agency in directing the AS/MCI at SHES?

• Who at the Incident Command Center made the ordering of Port-A-Potties a high priority since they were delivered within three hours of the school shooting?

• Who ordered those Port-A-Potties from Southbury, Connecticut?

• When I called the Port-A-Pottie company, after searching for over a week as to who they were and when they were ordered, I was told this information was classified and they are not allowed to share that information with me.

• The next morning I received a phone call from the Southbury Police Department at my home telling me not to call that company again, since I was harassing them.

• High priority for toilets but not for Life Star Trauma helicopters or paramedics.

4. Who and why did they not request Life Star helicopters, knowing that children and school staff were seriously injured and clinging to life?

5. Who and why did they not allow the paramedics and the EMTs inside SHES?

6. Who declared all 18 children and six school staff members legally dead within the first eight minutes?

7. Who was the Certified Environmental Bio-Hazard Decontamination company contracted by Newtown Public Schools (NPS) to remove 45-65 gallons of blood, skull fragments, brain tissue, bodily fluids, blood-soaked carpets and any other decontaminated area inside SHES?

8. Why does an off-duty lieutenant from the Newtown Police Department (NPD) refuse to leave his off-duty work assignment at a construction site when hearing that shots have been fired at SHES?

9. Who at NPS notified all of the parents in writing, as required by Conn. law, who had children attending SHES, as well as every school staff member, for every school year, of all the potential life threatening chemical hazards? The school had high levels of lead paint throughout the entire school, asbestos in the ceiling and floor tiles, asbestos in the insulation, and most of the school had very high levels of PCBs.

10. Who provided the urgent medical care to the two children who were not transported to the Danbury Trauma Center until an hour after the school was deemed safe for that 15-mile drive?

11. Who treated those two children who had been shot multiple times, like three to 11 times, since they did not allow the paramedics and EMTs inside SHES?

12. Why did the parents of the two children who died at the Danbury hospital not allow their children to donate their organs to other children waiting for the gift of life?

13. What happened to the 500 children and 60 school staff members from SHES on 12/14/2012?

14. Who was the police officer calling into the NPD dispatcher stating, in his words, that he had multiple weapons, a rifle and a shotgun, and who has the rifle and the shotgun, as the chain of evidence should show, that was found in classroom eight (8)?

15. Why would a police officer by the name of Lt. Vangehle, at 9:45:21 a.m. on 12/14/2012, from the NPD, after finding a female kindergartener in the hallway, make her go into room eight (8) and leave her there? Room eight was supposedly the gruesome crime scene with dead children and school staff.

16. Why would two Conn. State Troopers enter room ten (10) at 9:55:31 a.m. on 12/14/2012, which was supposedly the gruesome crime scene with dead children and school staff, and tell a male kindergartener who they found in the bathroom, whose name is redacted, and tell them (so it must be more than one), to stay and they will both be back when it is safe? ... ook-truth/

Helicopter shot of people just walking round and round in circles through the firehouse next to Sandy Hook. Provenance? ('News helicopter'?) Actual date of shooting? Supposed to be 'the' day? Why would you walk round and round and through the firestation and out the other side and back round again like a row of worker ants???

Tracking 1 guy in a bright yellow top just walking round and round in the car lot. No good reason for this? Not agitation or pacing. Then some guy has a go at a photographer for some reason, then a policeman shows up and has a go at the photographer.

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Re: What Awful Stupidity is this ? Sandy Hook Truthers

Postby SydneyPSIder » 27 Aug 2014, 11:56

Being appropriately 'sceptical' (not pseudosceptical) once more about this event, the following observations have been made by researchers about one of the transcripts of that day, where troopers could not find keys to rooms, had to wait for rooms to be opened by a janitor supposedly also bailed up somewhere safe, etc. They are critical of this because 'Every school today has a lock box out side the front door of the school with master keys of the school enclosed in the event of the fire department or a police department needing to enter the school in an Emergency after school hours.' Further they point out that the LED conversations don't go appropriately either, that they aren't attending to first aid properly, racing around 'clearing the roof' instead, and that they are declaring people dead when they have no authority to do that, are not even checking on the people before declaring them 'dead', when they might only be wounded and in need of desperately urgent first aid to save their lives. It's only Hollywood cowboys and Indians and cop shows and 80s action films where you shoot someone and they immediately die never to return.

Law Enforcement Dispatchers are our Lifeline when it comes to officer’s safety and backup.
Every Police officer knows how to use the communication system within a law enforcement agency and this is not how it works. Our police dispatchers are our daily lifelines when it comes to communication.
Every school today has a lock box out side the front door of the school with master keys of the school enclosed in the event of the fire department or a police department needing to enter the school in an Emergency after school hours.
How have they forgotten that?

There are also claims there were no firearms registered to a Nancy Lanza and she was not particularly a 'survivalist', there is no evidence for that. In the official press account, she was a teacher at the school, then suddenly not a teacher. Nor is there any evidence of the prior existence of a son, Adam Lanza, nor that SEHS had been in use as a school for 4 years prior -- apart from the port-a-pottie hire/lack of school evacuation buses thing on the day. The divorced supposed father was facing a massive prosecution over the LIBOR scandal whose name was officially mud and hence 'owed the govt a favour' possibly as an exchange of reputation of his name for prosecution.

I would further note that there are elements in the official story and scenario that elicit inherent scepticism. The perpetrator of the Australian 'Port Arthur Massacre' was a young man with a number of mental conditions and a low IQ of about 80. The Port Arthur massacre outcome was that automatic weapons were banned in the entire country. The Sandy Hook scenario seems to borrow from this notion of a person not in control of themselves. Then there was the Scottish shooting at a primary school at Dunblane, with a similar legal outcome in the UK. And of course, what is the best way to elicit the greatest emotional outpouring from the public? Target very small children, the sort that elicit the greatest protective response from people, the thing that causes the most terror in their hearts with regard to their own kids. What earthly reason would someone like a hypothetical Adam Lanza even with all his hypothetical personal issues have for going to an elementary school and shooting a bunch of tiny innocent kids? I mean, no-one has a chip on their shoulder about 5 year old kids. So a back story had to be created, and in the end, using someone with supposed mental problems of course means that their behaviour conveniently defies explanation.

With regard to the Dunblane school massacre, the motive is assumed to be as follows:

Complaints had been made of his having taken photographs of semi-naked boys without parental consent.[7]

Hamilton had briefly been a Scout leader - initially, in July 1973, he was appointed assistant leader with the 4th/6th Stirling of the Scout Association. In the autumn of that year, he was seconded as leader to the 24th Stirlingshire troop, which was being revived. However, several complaints were made about his leadership, including two occasions when Scouts were forced to sleep with Hamilton in his van during hill-walking expeditions. Within months, on 13 May 1974, Hamilton's Scout Warrant was withdrawn, with the County Commissioner stating that he was "suspicious of his moral intentions towards boys". He was blacklisted by the Association and thus thwarted in a later attempt he made to become a Scout leader in Clackmannanshire. [8]

He claimed in letters that rumours about him led to the failure of his shop business in 1993, and in the last months of his life he complained again that his attempts to organise a boys' club were subject to persecution by local police and the scout movement. Among those to whom he complained were the Queen and the local Member of Parliament, Michael Forsyth. In the 1980s, another MP, George Robertson, who lived in Dunblane, had complained to Forsyth about Hamilton's local boys' club, which his son had attended. On the day following the massacre, Robertson spoke of having argued with Hamilton "in my own home".[9]

Of course, even Dunblane is held up by some to be a false flag by MI5 to 'disarm the public' ( and ... statement/), and throughout all these cases we have many people suggesting conspiracies in all cases, either faked events or possibly real events. The Port Arthur massacre is also held by some to be a false flag contrivance for similar reasons ( - Australia's Port Arthur Massacre Government and Media Lies Exposed). The bedfellows in critiquing Sandy Hook are the loony right, 2nd amendment rightists, etc, and some are strange bedfellows indeed.

The phrase “Dunblane School Massacre” is an oxymoron. There was no such massacre. Nothing of any kind happened on that pre-selected day, March 13, 1996. Just as in Sandy Hook there was no school shooting. It was absolutely a fake, which is readily proven and which is, furthermore, indisputable.

The school-teacher and children were all used as fabricated (or real) identities to stage the fabrication. The purpose was to purge any reasonable rights for bearing fire-arms throughout the entirety of the UK. One ultimate goal was simply to force UK residents to give up all their guns for a fee by imposing upon them new, draconian legislation.

The same style of fraudulent orchestration was used in Dunblane as was used in Sandy Hook. For instance, images of real and possibly contrived children were used, supported by possibly real and also loaned or borrowed parents, along with the use of PhotoShop corruption, as needed.

Just as in Sandy Hook there was no shooting and no bloodshed. The supposed shooter, though a real person (apparently) was a part of the hoax and was under control of the espionage/governmental agencies when the fake event was orchestrated.

But see also: ... -hamilton/

We get alternative accounts that vary from 'multiple people were involved in a real shooting' to 'all identities, victims, etc were fake, no-one was hurt, numerous people have been paid off'. The latter in some cases may be more wishful thinking, but it may well vary from case to case. Corroboration requires the enquirer to know someone affected, or to visit the site and make appropriate investigations where possible, etc. James Fetzer has pointed out that apart from various people in Sandy Hook getting their mortgages paid off all on the same day (Christmas Day!) a year or two earlier, millions of dollars of donations have also flooded into the community and to individuals, an expected outcome. So expected, in fact, that it appears that some of the donor sites were set up before the day the event occurred, and in another the 'Parkers' (i.e. 'Smiling' Robbie Parker) had already set up a donation account before they knew the outcome for their own supposed 'child'.

All very odd.
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