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Re: I can do telepathy EASY! - NSA
Posted:
19 Feb 2011, 10:46
by Arouet
G. Adams order:
1. THESIS
2. FACILITY
3. MOTORWAY
4. RATTLE
Order I sent to derrida and ninja:
1. motorway
2. facility
3. rattle
4. thesis
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Re: I can do telepathy EASY! - NSA
Posted:
19 Feb 2011, 11:18
by Arouet
Ok, trial number 2:
I've pm'd 4 words to Ninja and derrida chosen by a random word chooser. Here are the 4 words ordered by random.org.
1. Ribbon
2. Wrath
3. House
4. Promotion
Here are the 4 sets of numbers, also chosen by random.org:
1. 139/29
2. 321/1
3. 66/29
4. 153/6
Re: I can do telepathy EASY! - NSA
Posted:
19 Feb 2011, 12:53
by G. ADAM
OK I've done enough of that protocol.
You made 3 changes to MY protocol, I think that altered the experiment.
1/ shuffling before the channeling phase
2/ using 1/ 2/ 3/ 4/ instead of A/ B/ C/ D/
3/ using the terms "page" and "line"
If you want to use my stated format for STEP 1 then start over, you must shuffle AFTER all the channels have been read.
I don't want to see the words before I give my answers.
Re: I can do telepathy EASY! - NSA
Posted:
19 Feb 2011, 13:49
by G. ADAM
The stats of guessing the order of 4 words.
There are 4! or 4X3X2X1 = 24 ways to order the words
1234 - 4 right
1243 - 2 right
1324 - 2 right
1342 - 1 right
1423 - 1 right
1432 - 2 right
2134 - 2 right
2143 - 0 right
2314 - 1 right
2341 - 0 right
2413 - 0 right
2431 - 1 right
3124 - 1 right
3142 - 0 right
3214 - 2 right
3241 - 1 right
3412 - 0 right
3421 - 0 right
4123 - 0 right
4132 - 1 right
4213 - 1 right
4231 - 2 right
4312 - 0 right
4321 - 0 right
TOTALS
0 right = 9
1 right = 8
2 right = 6
3 right = 0
4 right = 1
Average is (8 + 12 + 4) / 24 = 1
2+ right = 7/24 or 3.4:1 ODDS (less than 1 chance in 3)
4 right = 24:1 ODDS (1 chance in 24)
Let's make the PASS CLAIM
AVERAGE SCORE OVER MANY TESTS >= 2/4.
So I will try to get ON AVERAGE, 2 right every test repeatable.
Now I have just have to work out how many trials to break 1000:1.
It will be roughly 3_/1000 or 10 trials.
Sound about right? 10 trials and I average 2 right every test to pass 1000:1.
I'll get the exact number of trials later.
Re: I can do telepathy EASY! - NSA
Posted:
19 Feb 2011, 14:04
by G. ADAM
Here is a simple approximate method using a binomial calculator.
The last row 0.0005 means you would defeat 2000:1 ODDS
if you guessed 20/40 words from 4 options. (P=0.25 per guess)
This treats each guess independantly, the 40 words = the 10 tests of 4 words.
So 2 approximate stats methods both give
10 trials required to defeat 1000:1.
Re: I can do telepathy EASY! - NSA
Posted:
19 Feb 2011, 20:56
by Arouet
Re: I can do telepathy EASY! - NSA
Posted:
19 Feb 2011, 21:14
by Arouet
Ok, I've pm'd 4 new words to derrida and ninja. Here are the 4 page and line numbers
Word 1
page 149 line 23
Word 2
page 138 line 21
Word 3
page 147 line 17
Word 4
page 282 line 21
Re: I can do telepathy EASY! - NSA
Posted:
19 Feb 2011, 21:30
by NinjaPuppy
Re: I can do telepathy EASY! - NSA
Posted:
19 Feb 2011, 23:16
by G. ADAM
Re: I can do telepathy EASY! - NSA
Posted:
19 Feb 2011, 23:25
by Arouet
Ok, I checked the words against the channels. I then fed the words into random.org to produce the following list:
Arrow
Leap
Gleaning
Lawn
Re: I can do telepathy EASY! - NSA
Posted:
20 Feb 2011, 00:40
by G. ADAM
Word 1
page 149 line 23
((the vertiginous speed with which the files checked by the hacker))
ARROW
Word 2
page 138 line 21
((gossip magazine))
GLEANING
Word 3
page 147 line 17
((A moving love story, she said looking up at Quart, and like all))
LEAP
Word 4
page 282 line 21
((the police were fine.))
LAWN
A lot more subtle and harder to pick than the last test, but see if I got the order right with the new protocol
Re: I can do telepathy EASY! - NSA
Posted:
20 Feb 2011, 00:59
by G. ADAM
Re: I can do telepathy EASY! - NSA
Posted:
20 Feb 2011, 01:13
by Arouet
Trial 1
G.Adam's order:
1. Arrow
2. Gleaning
3. Leap
4. Lawn
Original order:
1. Lawn
2. Leap
3. Arrow
4. Gleaning
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Re: I can do telepathy EASY! - NSA
Posted:
20 Feb 2011, 03:48
by Arouet
Ok, I've pm'd 4 new words to derrida and ninja. Here are the 4 page and line numbers
Trial 2:
Word 1
page 232 line 7
Word 2
page 59 line 20
Word 3
page 182 line 14
Word 4
page 155 line 12
Re: I can do telepathy EASY! - NSA
Posted:
20 Feb 2011, 07:15
by G. ADAM