Discussions about Psychics and Psychic Phenomena, Extra Sensory Perception, Telepathy, Psi, Clairvoyancy, 6th Sense, Psychokinesis, etc.
17 Jun 2010, 12:02
Theres the extrordinary claims require extraordinary evidence gambit again
Why don't scientists just admit they were wrong for splitting up mind and matter
in the first place, and then refusing to allow mind to into their science. It is has
always been blatantly obvious that the mind does have power over matter.
17 Jun 2010, 23:45
Last edited by Indigo Child
on 18 Jun 2010, 00:29, edited 1 time in total.
18 Jun 2010, 00:30
There is little doubt to me that a person can make peace with themselves and I understand there is an inner knowledge of oneself that can be hard to find, and also a more physical outer knowledge that is more evident.
What I disagree with is that I don't believe a person can make a physical object move using nothing but the force of his/her mind.
If you want to say that you can think yourself into doing physical things, then yes, I'll agree with that. I won't agree with any kind of statement that says if I think properly, I can make that soda can move across the table without anything touching it.
That's where I'm coming from.
If, however, you have evidence that a person can make a solid object move with nothing more than thought, please share your evidence.
18 Jun 2010, 02:08
So who on this earth decides "what is or isn't an EXTRAODINARY claim"? Does science have an offical "Extraordinary Claims Dept?
Awwww..... IC beat me to it!
18 Jun 2010, 04:06
What you are talking about here is primary and secondary qualities.
The 5 senses give us the primary qualities of empirical objects. The
mind give us the the secondary qualities as subjective sensations. So
for instance the nose detects particle from the rose, and then this registers
as the experience and sensation of smell. There are two different phenomena
here one is the quantity of rose particles entering the nose, and the other is
the quality of the sensation of the smell of rose. You cannot know anybodies
sensation of the smell of the rose, you can only know that the same particles
have entered their nose, but their sensation is private. Similarly, one can see
an object which emits a frequency of light, which you see as red, but another blue.
So the qualitative aspect of it which is mental is completely different to the
quantitative aspect which is physical. You cannot see anybodies elses subjective
sensations with your 5 senses. You can only know your own subjective sensations
through your 6th sense. Therefore there is a 6th sense which gives us information
about the inner mental world, which cannot be given by the 5 senses.
Are you familiar with the famous thought experiment of Mary in a black and white room?
Mary is born in a black and white room and has a teacher which teaches her all the knowledge
of physics, biology, neuroscience. She has complete knowledge of the physical word. However,
Mary does not know the colour "red" In other words there is another kind of knowledge that is
not physical, but experential, and cannot be known by any physical knowledge. This experential
inner dimension, which is our most intimate knowledge, is not a physical-stuff. We only know it
through our 6th internal sense.
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