Discussions about the James Randi Educational Foundation and its Million Dollar Challenge.
06 Jun 2012, 20:58
Okay, I don't want to attack his character since I don't know the guy personally other than a handshake at a magic convention decages ago. But let's assume for a minute that he's a child molester and a lover to a fraud. Does that mean that the money for his million dollar challenge is not there or that he knowingly does not allow those who may be able to pass the challenge not take it? I don't think so. Thinking financially for a second, should someone actually be able to pass the MDC, the JREF would stand to make millions more off of their support of proving the paranormal abilities of the person who passed it. So, regardless of what character bashing one wants to do with Randi, being pissed off at him about his challenge is quite silly if you ask me.
18 Jun 2012, 04:11
When I applied for the Million Dollar Challenge Randi accepted my challenge, but after I insisted we video tape the testing procedure Randi blatantly lied to weasel out of my challenge saying "Perron would have won. He is a liar !!! And he is ugly too.
18 Jun 2012, 04:35
Here is the JREF thread related to the application of a William Perron. http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=58629
If this poster is indeed that guy its easy to imagine why they didn't get far in the negotiations.
18 Jun 2012, 06:44
Really? Why do you say that? If Randi lied Perron has reason to be upset if Randi accepted his challenge then weaseled out. Perron deserved a chance after he was accepted, not weasel cowardly lies.
19 Jun 2012, 00:45
Hmm, I had a post there which seems to not have gone through. BP: you've switched into third person there referring to Bill Perron, your OP implied that you were the guy who applied. If you're not the guy then I agree it would be unfair to draw any inferences about the real BP from your post.
In any event, the protocols in the thread I linked to seem grossly deficient. Perhaps you have information that better protocols were advanced but I can't imagine JREF ever having accepted the protocols as displayed in that post.
19 Jun 2012, 07:04
I am Bill Perron, I have both the acceptance and rejection printed hard copies. I printed them off the Randi site and also have them on the stationary Randi used to mail me. I am a professional magician, have been for over thirty years. Mark Edward a mentalist (that I used to consider a friend until he went over to the dark side and decided in his quest for fame and fortune by joining up with Randi, Shermer, Novello, and other low life Thought Nazis) dared me to take the Randi challenge because no other magician we knew of had. I knew if Randi was aware that a magician was applying he would automatically be rejected so I purposely applied in a manner to make him think I was just another deluded applicant because Randi will not test anyone he thinks has a chance to win. I read up a lot on Randi and talked to other magicians at the Castle and psychics I had worked with as an entertainer. After reading sTARBABY by Rawlins I decided astrology was his weakest point because he had already committed fraud in 1979 along with the other integrity challenged members of CSICOP in the Gauquelin astrology research that CSICOP in it's comical attempt to discredit actually to their surprise and frustration they had validated using the exact same methods of Gauquelin. After accepting my challenge Randi proceeded to make demands that would alter the test, I protested and insisted we video tape the testing because if I had to take him to court to collect the video could be evidence to support my claim. Randi then proceeded to blatantly lie posting at his site and in a letter to me that he was rejecting the Perron challenge because "Perron wants no photos taken." I protested and he responded at his site by intentionally defaming me by posting a photo shopped picture that made me look ridiculous. I have a standing offer of ten thousand dollars for Randi or anyone else that can produce any evidence I wanted no photos taken, so far no takers, I have made this offer at skeptic sites, no takers, I have made this offer to Michael Shermer and others, no takers, when I called Shermer he screamed into the telephone to leave him alone he did not want to hear anything about Randi from me. I will be glad to personally answer any questions. Unlike many professional pseudo sceptics I have nothing to hide and can document everything stated. My phone number is 626-579-3697 call anytime.Thank you, Bill Perron www.billperron.com
19 Jun 2012, 07:15
I'm confused: were you applying for the MDC to do a magic trick or do you believe you have real psi abilities?
Why did you refer to yourself in the third person.
Was the protocol you put forward the one in the link I provided? Or was there a revised one?
19 Jun 2012, 07:39
I replied in the 3rd. person because I wanted to, no special reason.
I was applying to either win the million and expose Randi as a fraud. It was an astrology challenge, you don't have to have any powers to do astrology, people on this site should already know that.
The protocol provided was the protocol. My computer is amazing.
19 Jun 2012, 11:25
You seem to be confusing plain English with Randibot speak, are you perhaps a Randibot troll? It's O.K. with me if you are, just be honest about it. Being coy?
Please stop trying to twist my words you only insult yourself by doing so, I confuse nothing, he accepted my challenge then lied to weasel out by saying I wanted no photos taken when I demanded we video tape everything. Is it so hard for you to accept I am telling the truth and Randi is a liar?
Whatever my understanding about astrology has nothing to do with being publicly lied about. If you want you are welcome to claim the ten thousand dollars, just produce evidence I am not telling the 100% truth. I can make that offer because I know exactly what the truth is and as I said before I can document everything I claim.
19 Jun 2012, 22:17
In another time in another place your comment about being "coy" would have earned you a challenge to meet at sunrise with gun blazing, or in the squared ring where I would have broken your nose or blackened your eyes, or perhaps both. Infatuated teen aged girls play coy, not grown men. Just because you are on the internet doesn't give you license to make cowardly insulting comments. Before this discussion goes any further if you know what is good for you you will apologize immediately.
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