Discuss Philosophical or Psychological subjects and topics.
29 Sep 2010, 16:52
I was thinking, could it be that people who are "loners" in the western world are not people with no social skills at all, but in fact genuinely sane people who will not (or cannot) act with the fakeness required to fit into groups? Could it be that they have found a deep inner authenticity inside that they don't want to compromise because they are on such a different frequency, that for them to conform to bullshit and "go through the motions" that it takes to get along in groups and crowds is too taxing?
Could that be the truth? What do you think?
Also, have you ever met a popular person with many friends among mainstream people, who told the truth like it is with no BS, no political correctness and no fakeness?
29 Sep 2010, 22:59
I think there's some degree of merit to what you say but at the same time I believe that those that tend to isolate frequently have far too much time on their hands which brings about a large amount of imagination sewn into a simple idea; it's kind of like a festering sore that builds with infection until it suddenly bust open and spreads its poison all over the place... not always something that's been weighed on even a veneer of critical contemplation.
I have something I've attempted to sew into a cognizant short story for years known as "Lucifier's Plot" which came about very much as the result of personal down time and not having much in way of outside contact. The essence of which took root when I first read the book "Holy Blood/Holy Grail" (long, long before the current conspiracy horse pucky and masonic messages from long dead artists and statesmen) but there was quite a bit more stitched into said fabric; the gist of which was that the Church itself was the cult of Satan which is why it has always found "the devil" in all other traditions... especially those that are more benevolent and focused on divinity within the self or the "higher" self such as Buddhism encourages (and actually, JC taught though it's readily ignored by churchmen). After all, if you were the master of deception wouldn't you start off by using basic misdirection techniques to keep folks from seeing the hidden truth in your other hand?
Isolation/being a loner like anything else, has its pros & cons but, too much of it results in our devolution and mental collapse when it comes to the psychological nature of man; it is not natural for us to not be a social creature. When we withdraw from society we end up listening more and more to the people in our head and trust me, most of them are paranoid fools.
30 Sep 2010, 12:01
I was wondering, when you get invited to parties, do any of you find it a stressful experience that you'd rather avoid? I mean it's like part of you wants to go to try to have fun, but another part of you doesn't want to go cause you know it will be a fake stressful experience, for the following reasons:
- You know you won't get any intellectual or soulful stimulation out of it, so you'd rather just stay home and read a good book or watch a documentary in your subject of interests, cause you know you will enjoy that at least. And while you know it's "uncool" to think that way, you can't help it cause it's the truth. You just don't fit in and know you will not enjoy the party, based on your past experiences (not attitude).
- And furthermore, it can be ego deflating when you are around people who are "vibrationally incompatible" with you (as David Icke would put it) because you will NOT feel validated at all, but INvalidated to the point where you can't wait to go home and find something that makes you feel validated again (like this forum for instance).
Any of you ever feel that way?
The truth is, when you are around people who are so "vibrationally different" from you, even making small talk and saying hi feel sooooooooooo awkward! Why is that?
- Besides the fakeness, if you are really intelligent or intellectual, you have to hide it around people at parties, and instead pretend that you are stupid, funny and cool like everyone else. Doing so feels like a lowering of dignity and oneself.
- Interacting with fake or dumb people is not intellectually stimulating. It feels like you are trying to be something you're not. Your inner self prefers doing something else, like reading a good book or watching a fascinating thought provoking documentary instead. You know this is "uncool" but you can't help it cause it's the truth.
- At a party, people usually break into subgroups. If you aren't in a subgroup but by yourself, you will look like a loser. So you feel PRESSURE to try to join one of the subgroups or gather with them. And if you don't connect with anyone there or if people don't talk to you, you feel compelled to try to force your way in somewhere, while looking like you're socializing and having a good time. So you try to join one of the subgroups and pretend to laugh and smile when you have no real interest in what they are saying. It's a lot of unnatural pressure.
So eventually, to avoid all the above, your subconscious mind makes you feel too lazy to go, and you start making excuses not to go, and you usually end up not going.
But you can't tell anyone the true reasons for not going or it'll make you look like a loser with an attitude problem.
Have any of you gone through this process?
It has nothing to do with not being social or fun. It's about you avoiding what you KNOW will be a stressful experience that will leave you frustrated as you try to befriend others you have nothing in common with, or try to pick up a girl/guy you have no chance with, etc. which will ultimately leave you deflated as you go back home, 95 percent of the time at least.
Simply put, you will be expending energy and time for a negative result, so you prefer to avoid it altogether. But you can't be honest about these reasons, or it'll make you look like a loser. Sucks huh?
30 Sep 2010, 12:09
Zen Master Alan Watts talks about hermits and conformity to society. He doesn't try to argue or prove anything. All he does is describe the nature of what IS.
30 Sep 2010, 12:17
You sound like you're talking about high school! Do people still act that way as grown-ups? As a father of three I don't get to many parties, nor do I feel the desire too anymore. Who the hell cares about being cool once you graduate?
30 Sep 2010, 12:28
The parable of the poisoned well
There was once a wise king who ruled over a vast city. He was feared for his might and loved for his wisdom. Now in the heart of the city, there was a well whose waters were pure and crystalline from which the king and all the inhabitants drank. When all were asleep, an enemy entered the city and poured seven drops of a strange liquid into the well. And he said that henceforth all who drink this water shall become mad.
All the people drank of the water, but not the king. And the people began to say, "The king is mad and has lost his reason. Look how strangely he behaves. We cannot be ruled by a madman, so he must be dethroned."
The king grew very fearful, for his subjects were preparing to rise against him. So one evening, he ordered a golden goblet to be filled from the well, and he drank deeply. The next day, there was great rejoicing among the people, for their beloved king had finally regained his reason.
05 Oct 2010, 23:34
I was wondering, when you get invited to parties, do any of you find it a stressful experience that you'd rather avoid? I mean it's like part of you wants to go to try to have fun, but another part of you doesn't want to go because you know it will be a fake stressful experience…
Since my melt down in 03 I have major problems with being around groups of people. While part of it due to the Agoraphobia and other psychological issues (some of which you’ve noted in your list), a lot of it comes from being sick and tired of the games that are played…
Yeah but I find that loners tend to be in Western cultures cause there is too much fakeness and political correctness required in getting along with groups in Western cultures.
In most countries, you just act as you are, and that's that. So there are less hermits that feel the need to withdraw into something more authentic.
… I refuse to be “Politically Correct” simply because it’s horse pucky and a bigger LIE that the veneer of politeness already extant in such groupings; depending of the situation you’ll find more gossiping, back-stabbing and under-mining in such environs… especially when it’s part of some kind of association or club.
The other thing that I detest is being invited to a function because people know of my background as both, a Reader and Performer and believe that I’ll do something for free since I’m there… boy, do they ever get resentful when I ask for a check first; they seem to forget that it’s my VOCATION and not silliness I do for children.
In those other world cultures that you hint at, the “hermits” are frequently the local holy people who tend to remove themselves from society as they begin to recognize their own sensitivity to things; even in the westernized world you will find spiritually oriented people and psychics moving further outside the larger communities and even into some seriously “rural” areas so they can be with nature/God instead of the ingrates in town that don’t understand nor do they have the desire to.
Arouet, I don’t know about where you live but in the U.S. High School pettiness seems a constant with the past two, maybe three generations. One side of it comes from what pop psychologist called the “Peter Pan Syndrome” some years back; our unwillingness to “act our age” and thus, clinging to our youth but more specifically, the delusion that we are still the head cheer leader or star jock of one of the school sports teams…
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