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17 Jan 2012, 20:49
When you start off a discussion by saying something is irrefutable, it's not a great start to what is supposed to be a rational, unbiased discussion, Scepcop. And seriously, you can't think of even ONE thing that would falsify your conclusions here? Faulty memories, stories that grow over time, even deliberate fraud, confirmation bias, etc? I'm not arguing for any of those specifically in this case, but its tough to say that none of them are possible, right?
But that's what makes these cases so difficult. We're trying to evaluate stories told by fallible people. And as you allude above, its very hard to test.
17 Jan 2012, 20:57
Craig, not sure if your long post really addressed the coordination aspect of how the recently deceased specically get matched up with particular wombs.
18 Jan 2012, 01:18
Sorry Craig, but you're missing the issue I'm actually zeroing in on which is how particular souls get matched up with particular bodies, how it is decided which soul goes in which body, how the soul knows where to go, how the soul knows when to go, etc.
It's a massive coordination project, especially if you add in all the other life forms out there!
19 Jan 2012, 07:10
Sorry, is Karma considered to be an independant agent? Are you saying that Karma itself finds new bodies, and yanks souls over to be inserted into them?
19 Jan 2012, 11:26
I'm imagining Karma as like a natural system. Think flowing rivers, whirling air masses. That kind of stuff.
19 Jan 2012, 12:54
What I'm trying to zero in on is how a deceased soul gets into the next body: how do they get matched up. How is it determined that recently deceased Johnny goes into Cindy's womb rather than recently deceased Peter? How do they get there? How do they know when to go?
20 Jan 2012, 20:43
Yes, there is a management system but it is not akin to a assembly plant. The Teachers help you review your past lives and understand the karma you've earned both, positive & negative. They help you decide what advantages & disadvantages will help you bring balance to your karmic account when born into your next lifetime. The Guide is a sub-manager of sorts, that helps you refine these conclusions and brings you together with the other people, places & things you have a karmic connection to and it is how YOU and the others involved to come together with an agreement to fulfill certain roles in this next lifetime. Every single step of the preparation is YOUR DECISION not some forced thing, YOU choose the path and container that will start things out by understanding what it is you need to work on and bring into balance; it really is self-creation.
The "Management" mechanism you are looking for does not exist in the sense that you are probably trying to make fit, it's far more fluid and passive than that. The Teachers & Guides are those who evolved from the monad to the higher levels of consciousness and what most writers refer to as "Love", they only exist to help us see the greater picture when it comes to life and spiritual obligations as well as our obligations on the carnal plane. It is based on that information that WE CHOOSE the body, race, culture, etc. it's really not that complicated.
20 Jan 2012, 21:43
Actually, is it complicated. How do we go about choosing which bodies will fit the path and container we're looking for? Out of the millions of babies being conceived/born how do we or the teacher identify which one will meet our needs (and that's only if we're talking humans, if we add the animal/insect/bacteria kingdoms its immeasurably larger!)
How do you get away from it being one huge bureaucratic mess? Honestly, it doesn't look like you've thought about this part because you keep on sidestepping it.
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