Good day gentleman.

[TheEvilUrge725]

Hello everyone, lurker turned poster here. I discovered this website while doing some research into christian fundementalism and Atheistic Dogma. I was blown away by how well the arguments against christianity were, specifically because they lacked emotion fueled "Logic". I myself am a Messianic jew and as such it is kind of hard to find a place where i fit in. As far as my religious beliefs go i am very skeptical of my religion. I've tried explaining this to many Atheists and anti-theists and for the most part i get character assassinations and get told that i hold an opinion that i do not genuinely have. It's frusturating because i have no real desire to convert people to my religion. I just try to explain why i am a christian who is skeptical of not only his religion but also other religions and even science. What do people like me do? We would be just fine if god wasn't real and we are just fine if god is real. God or not i still find the universe intriguing and i want to know how the mechanisms behind it work regardless of my faith. Why can't atheists/skeptics/debunkers understand this? For any atheists that may be here please forgive me if it sounds like i am making a generalization, i know that there are plenty of open minded atheists out there and i even know a few myself.

[NinjaPuppy]

Welcome and Shalom!

[ProfWag]

[TheEvilUrge725]

[Scepcop]

Hi EvilUrge,
You sound like a true skeptic. A true skeptic questions all sides. Very few can do that, because people tend to need something to believe in to give them an identity and sense of purpose. Otherwise they are empty and insecure inside. Most are closed minded and only listen to what they already believe, and ignore what they don't. They seek to validate their beliefs too. That's why many want to convert you to their beliefs. Atheists are no different. They are not as rational or logical as they claim, unless they apply their skepticism to their own beliefs too.

It's very hard to find someone who is truly objective and skeptical of all sides and will base his/her views solely on evidence. Most people, even if open minded, are only open minded about certain things. For example, many open minded people out there, such as Michal Prescott, are suddenly very closed minded regarding 9/11 and will not examine evidence about it or watch films about it. They have an immediately denial and dismissal about it. It's probably mostly psychological. Few are really logical, objective and open about everything.

[Scepcop]

EvilUrge,
Wait do you mean you talk to God? How does he appear to you? How do you experience him exactly? Do you hear him with your ears or mind? What does he say? Can you elaborate?

[Scepcop]

[TheEvilUrge725]

Hey Scepcop ( can i just call you Wu ? that is much easier to type out) Don't think i ignored your question about talking to god. Also Thank you for your kind words. I had a really long explanation and everything drawn out for you but it got eaten up by the forum or my computer so i will keep it short. I am pretty sure it is god, but i am not 100% sure because i do not have the ability to rule out a naturalistic explanation. At the same time the naturalistic explanation could be what makes the paranormal explanation possible yes? I do not know for sure other than that i can not explain it.

[Scepcop]

Sure you may call me "Wu". Whatever floats your boat.

BTW, another reason why I am not that emotional toward the Christian fundamentalists is because I used to be one of them, so I can emphasize with what they think, feel and believe. I understand them very well and why they think and act the way they do. So I am far more tolerant of them than their other critics and debunkers. Here is my deconversion story, which even Christians have admitted is quite inspiring and moving.

http://www.debunkingskeptics.com/Christian_Story.htm