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Re: Were We Told the Truth about World War 2?

Postby FatFreddy » 27 Feb 2014, 00:54

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Re: Were We Told the Truth about World War 2?

Postby FatFreddy » 27 Feb 2014, 01:08

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Re: Were We Told the Truth about World War 2?

Postby FatFreddy » 27 Feb 2014, 01:18

I just found this online book.

http://www.fpp.co.uk/books/Hitler/2001/HW_Web.pdf

David Irving

Hitler’s
War
and The War Path

I tried to order this at a bookstore about six months ago and the clerk was aghast that I'd be interested in a book such as this.
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Re: Were We Told the Truth about World War 2?

Postby FatFreddy » 27 Feb 2014, 01:40

Here's an online book I read a little over a year ago.
http://www.whitehonor.com/ZweitesBuch.pdf

I don't remember all of the details but I did save some important quotes.

(excerpts)
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The sword was the path breaker for the plough. And if we want to talk about human rights
at all, then in this single case war has served the highest right of all: it gave a Folk the soil which it wanted to
cultivate industriously and honestly for itself, so that its children might some day be provided with their daily
bread. For this soil is not allotted to anyone, nor is it presented to anyone as a gift. It is awarded by Providence
to people who in their hearts have the courage to take possession of it, the strength to preserve it, and the
industry to put it to the plough.
Hence every healthy, vigorous Folk sees nothing sinful in territorial acquisition, but something quite in keeping
with nature. The modern pacifist who denies this holy right must first be reproached for the fact that he himself
at least is being nourished on the injustices of former times.
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The Folkish State, conversely, must under no conditions annex Poles with the intention of wanting to make
Germans out of them some day. On the contrary, it must muster the determination either to seal off these alien
racial elements, so that the blood of its own Folk will not be corrupted again, or it must without further ado
remove them and hand over the vacated territory to its own National Comrades.
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Only a conscious Folkish race policy would be able to save European
nations from losing the law of action to America, in consequence of the inferior value of European Folks vis-àvis
the American Folk. If in place of this, however, the German Folk, along with a bastardisation systematically
conducted by Jews with inferior human material and a lowering of its racial value as such caused thereby, also
lets its best bloodbearers be taken away by a continuation of emigration in hundreds upon hundreds of
thousands of individual specimens, it will slowly sink to the level of an equally inferior race, and hence to that
of an incompetent and valueless Folk. The danger is especially great since, because of the complete indifference
on our side, the American Union itself, inspired by the teachings of its own ethnologists, has established special
standards for immigration. By making entry to American soil dependent on definite racial prerequisites on the
one hand, as well as on the definite physical health of the individual as such, bleeding Europe of its best people
has, indeed, perforce been legally regulated. This is something which our whole so called national bourgeois
world and all its economic politicians either do not see, or, at least, will not hear of because it is unpleasant to
them, and because it is much cheaper to pass over these things with a couple of general national phrases.
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Thus
she will again want a great merchant fleet, she will want coaling stations and bases in other parts of the world,
and finally she will want not only international sales markets, but also her own sources of raw material, if
possible, in the form of colonies. In the future such a development will necessarily have to be protected,
especially by maritime means of power.
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If he really wrote this book, it looks like he did have imperial ambitions.
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Re: Were We Told the Truth about World War 2?

Postby SydneyPSIder » 27 Feb 2014, 05:21

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Re: Were We Told the Truth about World War 2?

Postby FatFreddy » 27 Feb 2014, 21:44

You people keep ignoring my videos and now you're ignoring the Red Cross report. Here it is again.

http://www.polskawalczaca.com/viewtopic ... 36&t=18054
(excerpt)
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No Evidence Of Genocide

One of the most important aspects of the Red Cross Report is that it clarifies the true cause of those deaths that undoubtedly occurred in the camps toward the end of the war. Says the Report: "In the chaotic condition of Germany after the invasion during the final months of the war, the camps received no food supplies at all and starvation claimed an increasing number of victims. Itself alarmed by this situation, the German Government at last informed the ICRC on February 1st, 1945 ... In March 1945, discussions between the President of the ICRC and General of the S.S. Kaltenbrunner gave even more decisive results. Relief could henceforth be distributed by the ICRC, and one delegate was authorised to stay in each camp ..." (Vol. III, p. 83).

Clearly, the German authorities were at pains to relieve the dire situation as far as they were able. The Red Cross are quite explicit in stating that food supplies ceased at this time due to the Allied bombing of German transportation, and in the interests of interned Jews they had protested on March 15th, 1944 against "the barbarous aerial warfare of the Allies" (Inter Arma Caritas, p. 78). By October 2nd, 1944, the ICRC warned the German Foreign Office of the impending collapse of the German transportation system, declaring that starvation conditions for people throughout Germany were becoming inevitable.

In dealing with this comprehensive, three-volume Report, it is important to stress that the delegates of the International Red Cross found no evidence whatever at the camps in Axis occupied Europe of a deliberate policy to exterminate the Jews. In all its 1,600 pages the Report does not even mention such a thing as a gas chamber. It admits that Jews, like many other wartime nationalities, suffered rigours and privations, but its complete silence on the subject of planned extermination is ample refutation of the Six Million legend. Like the Vatican representatives with whom they worked, the Red Cross found itself unable to indulge in the irresponsible charges of genocide which had become the order of the day. So far as the genuine mortality rate is concerned, the Report points out that most of the Jewish doctors from the camps were being used to combat typhus on the eastern front, so that they were unavailable when the typhus epidemics of 1945 broke out in the camps (Vol. I, p. 204 ff) - Incidentally, it is frequently claimed that mass executions were carried out in gas chambers cunningly disguised as shower facilities. Again the Report makes nonsense of this allegation. "Not only the washing places, but installations for baths, showers and laundry were inspected by the delegates. They had often to take action to have fixtures made less primitive, and to get them repaired or enlarged" (Vol. III, p. 594).
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Please address this.
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Re: Were We Told the Truth about World War 2?

Postby pwil » 28 Feb 2014, 06:33

I find these statements by the ICRC very interesting as well.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_ ... ust_denial


Hitler promised to annihilate the Jews and make them pay for the deaths of German soldiers in WW1 in many public speeches.
Just because a written order was never found doesn't mean that the Jewish genocide never happened. I haven't found any evidence of any autopsies containing any cyanide. But I also haven't found any evidence of any autopsies to disprove that there was any.

Do you really believe that the German Nazis treated them fairly in these camps and was willing to give them their own territory to live and run any way they want as long as they were segregated from any other European civilizations? To live peacefully amongst themselves. That is what you try to show what the ICRC says. Really? Seriously?
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Re: Were We Told the Truth about World War 2?

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Re: Were We Told the Truth about World War 2?

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Re: Were We Told the Truth about World War 2?

Postby SydneyPSIder » 02 Mar 2014, 18:52

Once again, it's a battle of 'the documents' -- which documents or films or treatments etc should we believe?

This piece talks about the large number of death certificates signed and the fact that there were relatively few deaths due to typhus, whereas revisionists say it was all about the typhus. Most of them say due to 'heart failure', etc. Also, a lot of ovens were ordered. A lot of Soviet POWs were dying similarly, around 70% according to this account.

http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschw ... -disposal/

So are these numbers fabricated? What was 'the final solution' supposed to be about, if not extinguishment? And what of the 'special actions'? Why intern every minority, given that they were not a military threat to Germany simply because they were a minority, but rather didn't sit with the Nazis bizarre racist and eugenicist outlook?
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Re: Were We Told the Truth about World War 2?

Postby pwil » 02 Mar 2014, 20:52

Instead of making everyone watch a bunch of youtube videos, I post you this in regards to Hitler's "proposed answer" to the Jewish population.

http://www.ess.uwe.ac.uk/genocide/statements.htm
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Re: Were We Told the Truth about World War 2?

Postby Misha » 02 Mar 2014, 22:21

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Re: Were We Told the Truth about World War 2?

Postby pwil » 02 Mar 2014, 23:30

Although his speeches, letters, and conversations about eradicating the Jews is not proof alone of the genocide, it shows that Hitler isn't as much of a good guy that you seem to portray him as to be. I delivered my last post because you asked to see some anti Semitism in his own words.
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Re: Were We Told the Truth about World War 2?

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Re: Were We Told the Truth about World War 2?

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