ProfWag, a disturbing video that you can't defend

[Scepcop]

There is a very eloquent speech by a woman at the end. Everyone should see this and face the truth they've been afraid of.

* This video has been removed out of respect for a particular forum member's personal feelings on the matter.

[ProfWag]

Scepcop, it appears you want to start a war with me. If that's the way you want it, then game on.
First, have you served any time over there? If not, then you have no right to spread propoganda. Did that lady at the end of the tape serve time? If not, then she has no right to spread propoganda.
There have been hundreds of thousands of soldiers who have spent time in the Middle East. There are some bad apples out of that group. Not sure what you want me to defend.
I've been there, I've lived it, I know the attitudes of the soldiers and their leaders. You are relying on anti-governmental propoganda bullshit.
I would recommend that if you have not served time in the military, then please remove this thread or I will come at your stupid posts with a vengence.
ProfWag

[NinjaPuppy]

Since I have a weak stomach, I can't watch that video.

[ciscop]

nobody can defend that
american soldiers are paid assasins

[ProfWag]

For the record, I have politely asked that this thread be removed. I have yet to hear a rosponse, but am hoping that the administrator agrees that it really has little or nothing to do with debunking skeptics and inappropriate content for a forum such as this. I believe it crosses the line as to what a practical, professsional debate should be about. It shows the horrific actions of a few individuals and attempts to pass that off as what all soldiers do and how they behave.

[tiger]

Let us see. History shows us that Scepcop is highly unlikely to come back to this thread.

He is the owner of the forum. So this video will not be removed. I would not be too worried. The video is in plenty of other places. None of them important. A search will find them.

So I do not understand why anyone would take this thread seriously. Yes it appears to be junk. Only suitable for the choir. So it can be ignored.

ProfWag, Scepcop is not asking you to defend the US army, he is asking you to defend the contents of the video. So unless you agree with the contents, which you do not...

I think the best way to combat people like Scepcop is to laugh.

[ProfWag]

[ciscop]

you were a pilot werent you?
what kind of plane did you ¨drive¨?
it´s got to be a godlike thing having that much power
i know ill need a paperbag to get into one of those things i get dizzy on the alice in wonderland´ teacups in disneyland

i dont wanna date you
but did you serve in Irak? Vietnam? Panama?

just asking
did you get to be in combat?

i met some mexican soldiers..
here they battle against the cartels
but the funny thing is they do talk about how many they got.. according to one he got 19, he said he was a sniper
which is kind of cool, cause i didnt know we mexicans had snipers.
i believe in USA you dont talk about killing somebody in the service
is something that is not polite to ask (if that is so, i am sorry i wont ask anymore)

[ProfWag]

[ciscop]

well the best thing is that
you got to come home safely

[Scepcop]

[Scepcop]

Done. Out of respect for you ProfWag, I've removed the link to the video at the beginning of this thread.

I hope you can answer my questions honestly in my last post though, putting aside all our differences. This isn't about skepticism or conspiracies, it's about many people dying for nothing but power and greed, which is WRONG WRONG WRONG.

[Scepcop]

[ciscop]

hey
excuse me
but i a just hate american politics
soldiers are nothing but the tools they use to control the world
soldiers do what they are told,

[ProfWag]

First, I want to express my sincere appreciation for the removal of the video. I truly believe it was the right thing to do.
Next, concerning the reason we went to war or the numbers you have mentioned. I believe you are way off. Concerning Vietnam, roughly 60,000 Americans lost their lives between 1945 and 1975 in Vietnam. A staggering number but not quite "millions" as was expressed in the above post.
Concerning the Iraq War. It is impossible to determine how many Iraqi civilians have lost their lives. Again, however, I don't believe it's the "millions" as expressed above. Depending on which figure you want to use and which side of the fence you lean on can produce different numbers. However, one set of numbers appears to be the most accurate in my view. 10,000 Iraqi civilians have been inadvertantly killed at the hands of American and Allied Forces. During Saddam Hussein's reign, it has been estimated that he killed approximately 600,000 of his own civilians. Regardless of why we went to war, if those figures are accurate then our presence there, though costly in the lives of Iraqi civilians, has saved countless lives over the long run.
thereligionofpeace.com makes the point:

Iraqi civilians killed (all deliberately) in 2006 by the Iraqi resistance: 16,791.
Iraqi civilians killed (all accidentally) in 2006 by Americans: 225.

I will add this note as a former military person. The majority of people in 2005 with whom I spoke too, believed (under their breath as we were not really allowed to express "opinions" at that time) we should have been focusing on Afghanistan and Al Quaeda rather than Iraq. But, ciscop's correct in that the majority of those in the military do what we're told to do.

One final point I would like to make. Ask yourself this. If you were an Iraqi civilian, would you rather live in an Iraq under Saddam Hussein and his dictatorship or would you rather be living in Iraq today as a democracy? I certainly know which I would prefer...
Thanks again Scepcop for removing the video.