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Re: How to walk through a door
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04 Nov 2011, 01:02
by craig weiler
Your links essentially confirmed what I said, although in more technical terms. You can measure position or velocity, but not both, so you can't measure this. The Compton wavelength is not describing a true wave. Otherwise they would simply call it a wave.
Re: How to walk through a door
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04 Nov 2011, 03:57
by Nostradamus
Re: How to walk through a door
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04 Nov 2011, 07:29
by craig weiler
Uh, no, I'm not confused. An electron is either a particle or it is in superposition, i.e. wave/function. A wave function has wavelike properties, but as soon as you measure it, it becomes a particle. It is a probability cloud in superposition. You can regard it as a wave because it displays an interference pattern, but you can only see that pattern once it becomes a particle. it's not possible to observe the wave-like part of the dual nature of electrons. It's a weird feature of the observer effect. What you're quoting has been oversimplified.
Re: How to walk through a door
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05 Nov 2011, 03:29
by Nostradamus
Re: How to walk through a door
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06 Nov 2011, 00:09
by craig weiler
Yes. We're in agreement now. Superposition is essentially a probability cloud. It's not something that can be measured. This is what I was nitpicking about. It has wave like properties and it can be regarded as a wave, but technically, that's not what it is exactly. I love this stuff.
Re: How to walk through a door
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07 Nov 2011, 09:47
by Nostradamus
It does not matter if superposition can be measured. What matters is that an object as large as a person cannot experience the QM effects discussed in the OP. That's the point.
Re: How to walk through a door
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07 Nov 2011, 10:22
by Arouet
Re: How to walk through a door
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07 Nov 2011, 12:06
by Jayhawker30
Could a bullet experience those effects?
Re: How to walk through a door
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07 Nov 2011, 12:16
by craig weiler
A bullet has been observed, so it is going to obey conventional physics.
For someone to pass through a wall or a door or whatever, they have to have a way to use consciousness to put every single subatomic particle in their body in superposition and then they can appear on the other side instantaneously by observing themselves on the other side.. This works because anything in superposition is already everywhere at once.
Can consciousness do that? I don't know and neither does anyone else. I have never heard of it being done and even if I did I wouldn't automatically assume it was true.
It's all speculation.
Re: How to walk through a door
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07 Nov 2011, 21:37
by really?
Re: How to walk through a door
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07 Nov 2011, 22:43
by craig weiler
Re: How to walk through a door
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07 Nov 2011, 23:00
by really?
Re: How to walk through a door
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09 Nov 2011, 12:24
by Nostradamus
Re: How to walk through a door
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09 Nov 2011, 12:32
by Nostradamus
Re: How to walk through a door
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18 Apr 2012, 09:05
by cecil1
it's not a wave or a particle, it's coined a wavicle.
/Bow