Discussions about Metaphysics, Quantum Physics, the Holographic Universe and the Nature of Reality.
28 Apr 2012, 03:08
We obviously have different defintions of free will. You define it as not being a meat computer.
I define it as sloppy thinking.
Free-will is a word. If it means not being a computer made of DNA, then just what do you think it is?
It is GIGO, garbage and false premises go in, and miracles that have nothing to do with pulling back your hand when you realize the stove is hot come out.
Studies have indicated motions of the body occur prior to a conscious awareness of the "intention", and "free-will" or course correction can only occur in that interval. That is the only observed fact in the universe that proves any mental action intervenes in reality (which I am aware of, at least), instead of our mentality being merely a means of predicting future actions of others with an unfortunate side effect of letting us reflect, post facto, on how how stupid we are, and repenting.
You are mistaking the brain's ability to overule a body's motion in the fraction of the second before the body takes an action with the mind's self reflection. While I see indications mentality interacts with the world out of the mind, I have no conclusive evidence the decisions we make could have been different, aside from that one small fact which forced me to admit something resembling free will exists in humans for about a fifth of a second every year or so.
Basically, I think choice is impossible, even in what I describe as free will.
Thus free will is as non-existent as flying carpets, more or less, and certainly as non-existent as original sin, and, matched with original sin, (which largely contradicts the premise of free will) these errors have done the human race as much harm as belief in witchcraft, or the fact of cancer.
The most unjustified by evidence scientific opinion I have is that the double slit experiment justifies considering photons aware, even tho the behavior, weird as it appears, is strictly robotic.
As I think this thru, my conclusion becomes tautological, but I thought the posted demonstation was oxymoric. I would rather sound like I taught logic than like I am what I am, moron due to lack of oxygen. I am still trying to figure if I left any IQ points when I nearly died.
29 Apr 2012, 00:14
Just in scanning your reply Twain I can see that you know little to nothing about genuine Metaphysical belief such as we have within the Martial Arts, Shamanic and even Christian Science/Science of Mind worlds. Fact is the mind can be disciplined (as an act of personal free will) to not fear the hot stove or for that matter, lava flows (that aspect of fire walking the skeptics have yet to explain away; how something hot enough to set a dense wood log ablaze in a matter of seconds doesn't harm the feet of the "Lava Dancers")
"Rationalists" simple think too much from a bound set of rules that the spiritually oriented and especially those that see the divine trinity as being Mind, Body & Spirit as One, process data and TRAIN themselves to understand and perceive matter, time and events & circumstance and how their relationship to those things ties to the laws of both Free Will and Karma. . . and before you go there, Karma is something we've accepted when it comes to Free Will or even what some call Free-doom. The Karmic debt that follows us from lifetime to lifetime is accepted into each incarnation by the entity seeking to correct the imbalance and learn the lesson as it were. "Instant Karma" as in the things we pay for in life as the result of conscious decisions in the present, is again a matter of Free Will in action because the student of this Trine Belief KNOWS BETTER and has chosen to ignore the wisdom and intuitive warnings -- they go against the beliefs they claim in a conscious manner and thus, the fire will burn them.
Physics as the rationalist loves to embrace it likewise applies to the world of Meta-Physics; it's the same dynamics and laws that are in effect just on a Mental & Spiritual level vs. the extreme "Carnal Only" extreme we've been taught to rely upon. . . the Illusion as most mystics would refer to it as being.
Logic really doesn't apply in this case, not in the way you're trying to make it fit. But it's your Free Will that allows you to believe such things . . . kind of. . . you were after all, indoctrinated by way of exposure to left-brain academics vs. right-brain processing in which all things become both, possible as well as plausible.
29 Apr 2012, 18:28
Well, I guess the Catsmeat is out of the bag, eh?
I can more than understand the fuzzy explanation about one's shamanic niche; I'm very much eclectic in my studies; everything from being raised hard core Southern Baptist to adventures with the Hopi Indians and then some. But I likewise agree with your views on said cartoon -- trying to be cute in that case really missed the mark; besides, there's a reason polite company don't bring up religion in conversations.
Philosophically Speaking I would say that I'm a mix between Christian Gnostic, Science of Mind, Buddhism and Wicca with a large dose of Hermetics & Kabalism for good measure. I do however, debate the Psychosomatic idea when it comes to illness & disease. While I know the mind "creates" I also know that karma has a word in things, which is why some are born with certain diseases or conditions as well as why some healers end up plagued by health conditions such as I juggle; I did lots of healing work during the 80's and the on-set of AIDS as well as working with cancer patients and other sufferers of various types. You can cleans all you want but you always keep a piece of it; not for punishment but more akin to a merit badge that says to the wise one's that are in the know that you are the real thing and not another New Age nut case.
I appreciate your response, far more than you might realize.
09 May 2012, 13:17
Thankyou, Craig. Ability to note irony does get frayed sometimes by the net.
Karma as a merit badge, like it sez "Deliver me from finals, and Failure." Think I dig it Craig, but I am tired and fuzzy headed, but again, thankyou for your kind response
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