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SCEPCOP Forum Scientific Committee to Evaluate PseudoSkeptic Criticism of the Paranormal 2009-09-30T10:14:54+08:00 https://www.debunkingskeptics.com/forum/feed.php?f=9&t=89 2009-09-30T10:14:54+08:00 2009-09-30T10:14:54+08:00 https://www.debunkingskeptics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=89&p=5156#p5156 <![CDATA[Re: PsuedoSkeptic UFO template]]> then i went to see a talk of jaime maussan and falled sleep
it was boring.. and his evidence was nothing but spots in the sky.. nothing remarkable
in the age of youtube and since we all have camera phones, i would expect better videos
this hasnt happened..

one little thing..
i remember when i was in canada
that i saw a kid´s show ... ¨mystery detectives¨or something like that
where kids debunked or resolved mysteries.. one of those
was in mexico.. they came to mexico and talked to maussan who show them ¨his evidence video¨
the kid then went and took a helicopter flight and found the source of the lighting in the sky.. it turns out it was an oil refinery in the golf on mexico
it looked just like the one in the video and it was in the same spot...
man.. a kid debunked that ufologist in less than 10 minutes of television.

not saying all ufo sightings are like that
but i am saying some of those investigators like maussan.. really doesnt care about researching, they only present the videos ¨to let the people decide¨.. BS!

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2009-09-30T05:25:48+08:00 2009-09-30T05:25:48+08:00 https://www.debunkingskeptics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=89&p=5149#p5149 <![CDATA[Re: PsuedoSkeptic UFO template]]>
True skeptics and debunkers are two very different animals:

Skeptic: one who is yet undecided as to what is true; one who is looking or inquiring for what is true; an inquirer after facts or reasons. the method of suspended judgment, systematic doubt, or criticism that is characteristic of skeptics. Properly, a skeptic is a nonbeliever, a person who refuses to jump to conclusions based on inconclusive evidence.

A pseudo-skeptic, on the other hand, is a person with an priori belief that a certain idea is wrong and it’s just a matter of figuring out how to debunk it. It’s a foregone conclusion before they even begin to investigate.

Below is a list of explanations given by debunkers to explain UFO sightings. For the sake of brevity I have listed the main categories of explanations. Underneath each capitol letter you will find a number of variations on the theme. For the fleshed out version, go to the following link.

http://www.cufon.org/cufon/ifo_list.htm

A. MATERIAL OBJECTS
B. IMMATERIAL OBJECTS
C. ASTRONOMICAL
D. PHYSIOLOGICAL
E PSYCHOLOGICAL
F COMBINATIONS AND SPECIAL EFFECTS
G PHOTOGRAPHIC RECORDS
H RADAR
I HOAXES

My personal favorites that are embedded in the list include the following. I’m having them bronzed so I can prominently display them on my mantle.
*paper and other debris
*leaves
*insects
swarms
*moths
*seeds
milkweed, etc.
*feathers
*tumbleweeds
*spider webs
*matches
*smoker lighting pipe
*cigarettes tossed away
*ghost of the Brocken (I don’t know what that is, but it sounds way cool. Kind of like one of those low budget movies you see on The SyFy channel)

The problem I have with debunkers is they try to put ALL sightings under one of these categories. When asked if they think that all sightings since the dawn of mankind up to the present and into the future short of an actual landing are mundane in nature you begin to get evasive answers that do not address the question straight on. This question is designed to be a what is called a "boxed ended canyon" type question. There are only a few answers to this question, all of which are anathema to a debunker. If they answer yes, that becomes an extraordinary claim which requires extraordinary proof, which, of course, they can't provide. They definitely don't want to go there unless they say, "in my opinion". which then puts them in the realm of any other Tom, Dick or Harry on the street; as good or bad as anyone else. If they answer no, maybe, I don't know, that opens the door to the possibility that their might be something else other than what they use as explanations. That doesn't mean that the sightings are necessarily alien, it just means that their is something out that that is a mystery that could be a whole lot of things.

Now, of course, when pressed to the wall they will invariably pull the "Unicorn Gambit™" which is just a smartass way of saying 'no' while trying to maintain the appearance of objectivity.

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2009-09-10T06:06:13+08:00 2009-09-10T06:06:13+08:00 https://www.debunkingskeptics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=89&p=4377#p4377 <![CDATA[Re: PsuedoSkeptic UFO template]]> Statistics: Posted by soldiergirl — 10 Sep 2009, 06:06


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2009-09-10T01:09:35+08:00 2009-09-10T01:09:35+08:00 https://www.debunkingskeptics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=89&p=4346#p4346 <![CDATA[Re: PsuedoSkeptic UFO template]]> Statistics: Posted by Eteponge — 10 Sep 2009, 01:09


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2009-09-09T21:54:15+08:00 2009-09-09T21:54:15+08:00 https://www.debunkingskeptics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=89&p=4339#p4339 <![CDATA[Re: PsuedoSkeptic UFO template]]> Statistics: Posted by soldiergirl — 09 Sep 2009, 21:54


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2009-09-09T21:05:12+08:00 2009-09-09T21:05:12+08:00 https://www.debunkingskeptics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=89&p=4335#p4335 <![CDATA[Re: PsuedoSkeptic UFO template]]> Statistics: Posted by Eteponge — 09 Sep 2009, 21:05


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2009-09-09T16:18:11+08:00 2009-09-09T16:18:11+08:00 https://www.debunkingskeptics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=89&p=4327#p4327 <![CDATA[Re: PsuedoSkeptic UFO template]]> Statistics: Posted by soldiergirl — 09 Sep 2009, 16:18


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2009-06-03T06:53:11+08:00 2009-06-03T06:53:11+08:00 https://www.debunkingskeptics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=89&p=184#p184 <![CDATA[PsuedoSkeptic UFO template]]> Statistics: Posted by jakesteele — 03 Jun 2009, 06:53


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