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SCEPCOP Forum Scientific Committee to Evaluate PseudoSkeptic Criticism of the Paranormal 2010-05-10T00:14:14+08:00 https://www.debunkingskeptics.com/forum/feed.php?f=4&t=1134 2010-05-10T00:14:14+08:00 2010-05-10T00:14:14+08:00 https://www.debunkingskeptics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1134&p=13373#p13373 <![CDATA[Re: Another way to refute the "extraordinary evidence" argument]]>
As to what you bring out as critique to my position with things... well, I'm not understanding what you mean by "used words to provoked an emotional appeal" when all I've done is shown similarities --commonalities -- nothing to evoke emotional anything outside of recognition to the fact that we are both saying, more or less, the very same thing.

When it comes to what I/we were discussing (the bio-electrical impulses of the brain/mind/body) I'm on mark... you wrung in the whole Chi thing which isn't what I'm talking about... at least not specifically. I have opinions on that issue that stem from both, Martial Arts and my short study of Acupuncture theory, but that's neither here or there. I was talking about how the physical energy of the human body, the energy we know to be fact and how, by tapping into that energy source either by way of hard-wiring processors that can step up that "juice" or by holding some kind of conductor handle, wearing a cap, etc. we are able to create a tangible and typical desired end affect -- movement. Because of such manifestations it would logical to not negate the probability that some (be it a very limited few) have learned to bring about similar manifestations without all the technology attached to it. It is likewise possible that a rudimentary understanding of such things has been known for thousands of years, which goes to explain why Hermetic Law given to us thousands of years ago, is interchangeable with rudimentary physics as well as other facets of life as we know it.

Faith is a fickle thing in that it is a belief which can be altered. It is when a person comes to KNOW something that sustains that belief that they become rooted and unshakable. My objective being to lend to the believer a bridge that crosses the chasm created by the rationalists & cynics, so as to allow them to see the fantastic through more mundane and logical eyes free of the rose tinting on their glasses. I strive to remove the boogiemen and whispering fairy folk from their course of thought in such a way that allows them to retain belief but by way of an adjusted sense of understanding that makes what they once accepted blindly (even delusionally) more concrete, tangible... akin to what St. Thomas experienced when he placed his fingers into the scars of Jesus (as the story goes). It's not an argument over who is right or wrong, what is or isn't, but rather learning that it's all the same just different by degree... as the old adage goes, where does hot end and cold begin? It's a matter of perspective. The same holds true when looking at the mystical vs. the analytical; understanding that there is a median between the two is where one discovers wisdom... enlightenment.

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2010-05-09T11:37:29+08:00 2010-05-09T11:37:29+08:00 https://www.debunkingskeptics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1134&p=13366#p13366 <![CDATA[Re: Another way to refute the "extraordinary evidence" argument]]> Statistics: Posted by really? — 09 May 2010, 11:37


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2010-05-09T01:40:24+08:00 2010-05-09T01:40:24+08:00 https://www.debunkingskeptics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1134&p=13362#p13362 <![CDATA[Re: Another way to refute the "extraordinary evidence" argument]]> Statistics: Posted by Craig Browning — 09 May 2010, 01:40


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2010-05-08T23:16:36+08:00 2010-05-08T23:16:36+08:00 https://www.debunkingskeptics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1134&p=13359#p13359 <![CDATA[Re: Another way to refute the "extraordinary evidence" argument]]> Statistics: Posted by jakesteele — 08 May 2010, 23:16


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2010-05-08T22:50:30+08:00 2010-05-08T22:50:30+08:00 https://www.debunkingskeptics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1134&p=13358#p13358 <![CDATA[Re: Another way to refute the "extraordinary evidence" argument]]> isn't generated by the brain.

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2010-05-08T11:23:06+08:00 2010-05-08T11:23:06+08:00 https://www.debunkingskeptics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1134&p=13355#p13355 <![CDATA[Re: Another way to refute the "extraordinary evidence" argument]]> Statistics: Posted by really? — 08 May 2010, 11:23


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2010-05-08T03:52:56+08:00 2010-05-08T03:52:56+08:00 https://www.debunkingskeptics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1134&p=13345#p13345 <![CDATA[Re: Another way to refute the "extraordinary evidence" argument]]> Statistics: Posted by NucleicAcid — 08 May 2010, 03:52


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2010-05-08T03:20:47+08:00 2010-05-08T03:20:47+08:00 https://www.debunkingskeptics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1134&p=13340#p13340 <![CDATA[Re: Another way to refute the "extraordinary evidence" argument]]> Statistics: Posted by really? — 08 May 2010, 03:20


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2010-05-08T03:16:53+08:00 2010-05-08T03:16:53+08:00 https://www.debunkingskeptics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1134&p=13339#p13339 <![CDATA[Re: Another way to refute the "extraordinary evidence" argument]]> Statistics: Posted by ProfWag — 08 May 2010, 03:16


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2010-05-08T03:07:04+08:00 2010-05-08T03:07:04+08:00 https://www.debunkingskeptics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1134&p=13337#p13337 <![CDATA[Re: Another way to refute the "extraordinary evidence" argument]]> Statistics: Posted by really? — 08 May 2010, 03:07


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2010-05-08T02:16:28+08:00 2010-05-08T02:16:28+08:00 https://www.debunkingskeptics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1134&p=13334#p13334 <![CDATA[Re: Another way to refute the "extraordinary evidence" argument]]> Statistics: Posted by Craig Browning — 08 May 2010, 02:16


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2010-05-07T20:49:15+08:00 2010-05-07T20:49:15+08:00 https://www.debunkingskeptics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1134&p=13316#p13316 <![CDATA[Re: Another way to refute the "extraordinary evidence" argument]]> Statistics: Posted by ProfWag — 07 May 2010, 20:49


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2010-05-07T10:51:07+08:00 2010-05-07T10:51:07+08:00 https://www.debunkingskeptics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1134&p=13313#p13313 <![CDATA[Re: Another way to refute the "extraordinary evidence" argument]]> Statistics: Posted by ciscop — 07 May 2010, 10:51


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2010-05-07T05:19:45+08:00 2010-05-07T05:19:45+08:00 https://www.debunkingskeptics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1134&p=13309#p13309 <![CDATA[Re: Another way to refute the "extraordinary evidence" argument]]>
Here is a vid of Phil Plait answering a question of the possibility of life elsewhere.

http://www.dailygrail.com/Alien-Nation/2008/11/Astronomers-and-UFOs

Go to 1:16 and here Phil Plait's take on life in the universe.


I feel the same way as Phil, but when anybody uses the word/concept of "life" it is never defined precisely. In this context "life" could mean anything from bacteria, to bugs to sentient beings with flying saucers, etc. Think of Star Trek and its five year mission to seek out new civilizations...anything goes.

In this larger context, to hide behind the Unicorn Gambit – (When asked the question, “Do you believe in UFOs?” a debunker will sarcastically say something to this effect: “Sure there might be a chance, about as much chance of Unicorns and Faries.” This is nothing more than a sarcastic way of saying no without have to bear the burden of proof and superficially maintaining the appearance of objectivity.

The Drake Equation shuffle and the Unicorn Gambit are mutually exclusive of each other.

To say there is a chance that their is life in the universe, but there are no such things as UFOs that can't be easily explained away is an extraordinary claim. The numbers just aren't with you.

That is an example of how I address that question...my definition, my way, my game. If a debunker doesn't like it, then he can have a Coke and go f* himself.
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2010-05-05T06:27:51+08:00 2010-05-05T06:27:51+08:00 https://www.debunkingskeptics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1134&p=13210#p13210 <![CDATA[Re: Another way to refute the "extraordinary evidence" argument]]>
with this kind of argument you wanted to debate shermer?

damn..
are you in for a major intellectual beating..

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