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SCEPCOP Forum Scientific Committee to Evaluate PseudoSkeptic Criticism of the Paranormal 2014-07-06T06:35:40+08:00 https://www.debunkingskeptics.com/forum/feed.php?f=26&t=2064 2014-07-06T06:35:40+08:00 2014-07-06T06:35:40+08:00 https://www.debunkingskeptics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2064&p=34082#p34082 <![CDATA[Re: Pat Flynn - Is he a scam? Does he make what he claims?]]>
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Also, look at his smile and photo below. Doesn't he look so authentic and down-to-earth, like a man whom you'd believe anything that came out of his mouth? lol (sarcastic)

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2012-09-30T00:27:07+08:00 2012-09-30T00:27:07+08:00 https://www.debunkingskeptics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2064&p=27612#p27612 <![CDATA[Re: Pat Flynn - Is he a scam? Does he make what he claims?]]>
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"jmiJuly 15, 2012 4:51 AM

This is not complicated.

Tim Ferris does the same thing. Sure, Tim had something called BrainQuicken that made money, but the REAL muse is to tell you how to do the same thing as him. The fact that you are reading the 4 hour workweek, means that you are creating his lifestyle for him. The ultimate niche is to make money off those who are making money.

The same goes for Pat. He has an authority site. He has made himself, in the eyes of many, the de facto expert on passive income. So people visit his site... and he makes money from them. What is even more ridiculous is that Pat actually tells you on his blog that his most profitable page is his RESOURCE page.

It's like this:

(1) Make claims about making money on the internet (show big dollars)
(2) Give tonnes of free advice on every subject related to niche marketing (95% re-hashed from other stuff, and warrior forum) so that people will think you are a stand-up gentleman... building a RELATIONSHIP with them.
(3) Create a brand around your personality so that you are likeable, get them to buy into your brand with your free advice.
(4) Share how you "did it", which incidentally is a list of links to other products that his affiliate for
(5) Offer "proof" of your success - Security Guard HQ. Which is only 5% of your revenue, but hey, it's proof - right?
(6) Now that you love him, like his free advice, seen his proof, you notice that he keeps going on about bluehost - you buy it because it is only $6 a month for unlimited sites. And he walks away with a cool $65 per referral. BANK.

It doesn't even matter whether or not his original claims are true, or whether his current claims are true. He is making coin. He has copied Tim Ferris... and I can't believe there is even a debate here.

He is a very smart guy. And what is even more laughable... is that he tells you EVERYTHING on his website... including how he is making money off his visitors. He even has an diagram right now, and delivers speeches on making relationships with people and indirect selling.

Anyone who buys into it.... #epicfail.

The only way to make money of Pat Flynn is to compete with him, and knock him off his perch. Good luck with that, he has too many fan boys. Unless you are a really attractive female, in which you may have a good chance because most of the bozos are probably male."


My response to him:

"Jmi,
Yes, you've described Pat's scheme to a T! You really understand how the game works. Congrats. You are a person of solid common sense who tells it like it is.

Yes that is how these schemes work. This is in a gray area though, because making money by teaching others how to make money is a bit shady. It's not profiting from a legitimate business, but more along the lines of an MLM.

But hey, he is good at what he does and has found his niche, so you can't blame him.

The flaw in this scheme is that:

1) Not everyone can be at the top in a niche. There isn't room.
2) You can't succeed by just following a formula. It doesn't work that way. Too many other factors come into play, such as talent, passion, drive, dedication, luck, timing, market demand and availability, charisma, karma, destiny, divine will, and other intangibles.

But hey, giving people hope is better than nothing, since working for someone else is a prison-like enslaving existence. At least Pat and I agree on that. As long as he doesn't give people false or unrealistic hope, which would lead to disappointment. People need to learn how to think critically though."

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2012-01-01T04:46:15+08:00 2012-01-01T04:46:15+08:00 https://www.debunkingskeptics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2064&p=23933#p23933 <![CDATA[Re: Pat Flynn - A Skeptical Review of his Passive Online Inc]]> While you are right that making money online is hard work, the thing is, the internet marketing gurus will tell you that too, and so will Amway distributors.

In fact, anyone will tell you that it is hard work to make money in your own business (even the deceptive Amway and its MLM copycats will tell you that). But what they WON'T tell you is that the rate of growth is very slow, unless you are lucky enough to have outside forces helping you. Instead, these internet marketing gurus will paint a false picture - that when you start trying to earn money online, you work hard for one month and earn a few thousand dollars, and then it goes uphill from there. That's where they are deceiving you and painting a false picture of reality. But of course, they have a vested interest in retaining their followers and not letting them get them discouraged; that's why they exaggerate the rate of growth of online income, rather than tell you the brutal truth about it. Therefore, where these gurus deceive you is in their false portrayal of the rate of growth in this type of venture, even if they admit that "you have to work hard to make money online".

In actuality though, the picture is not that rosy. When you start out, you will be earning virtually NOTHING the first few months, and when you do, it will start as a slow trickle. First you might earn 20 dollars a month, followed by 30, then 40, and so on. That's the reality of how it usually works. It takes a lot of endurance to continue on at that point. Only those who really believe in what they are doing and persist will make something out of it.

Overall, it's not easy and the growth happens very slowly, but once you reach a stable significant growth, you are free and that is priceless. However, not everyone will succeed. Success will depend on a combination of factors: your endurance, perseverance, passion, luck, timing, help from others, market forces, random traffic flows, your skill in SEO (search engine optimization), and the popularity of your field of expertise or the niche you're involved in, among other factors. It's not something that anyone can just get up and do.

Now keep in mind that we talking about automated online passive income here, not active online income where you teach English through Skype, ship products through Ebay, or do freelance work for others. In active online income work, your payment is more fixed and predictable - depending on the hours you work, items you sell, rate of pay per article you write, or whatever deal you've negotiated with the client.

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2011-12-31T03:33:44+08:00 2011-12-31T03:33:44+08:00 https://www.debunkingskeptics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2064&p=23907#p23907 <![CDATA[Re: Pat Flynn - A Skeptical Review of his Passive Online Inc]]> ) and even those unbelievable moments when politicians admit to being wrong, but that's an entirely different sort of miracle :lol:

No, I'm not poking fun, the first part of my response is how I look at such things but not all things we so randomly tag the "M" word to. By my training alone, I cannot accept most of what people claim as being miraculous, be it due to Psi, ET, or Ghost Poop I simply must question it and look at it through the filtering processes I've been trained to employ first and foremost. This is why we butt heads on things and how I can say bluntly that someone like Sloan is a serious fake and similarly, first a flare gun up in warning when it comes to this other clown; fast money at the levels he's boasting is rarely legal/honest. He will be found out in time and unfortunately leave a wide wake of folks whose lives have been devastated as the result of their own greed and ignorance.

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2011-12-30T04:36:50+08:00 2011-12-30T04:36:50+08:00 https://www.debunkingskeptics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2064&p=23903#p23903 <![CDATA[Re: Pat Flynn - A Skeptical Review of his Passive Income]]> Statistics: Posted by Scepcop — 30 Dec 2011, 04:36


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2011-12-30T01:34:21+08:00 2011-12-30T01:34:21+08:00 https://www.debunkingskeptics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2064&p=23901#p23901 <![CDATA[Re: Pat Flynn - A Skeptical Review of his Passive Income]]> Statistics: Posted by ProfWag — 30 Dec 2011, 01:34


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