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SCEPCOP Forum Scientific Committee to Evaluate PseudoSkeptic Criticism of the Paranormal 2013-03-20T22:54:46+08:00 https://www.debunkingskeptics.com/forum/feed.php?f=2&t=1660 2013-03-20T22:54:46+08:00 2013-03-20T22:54:46+08:00 https://www.debunkingskeptics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1660&p=30412#p30412 <![CDATA[Re: PSYCHIC ADVERTISING]]> Statistics: Posted by psi — 20 Mar 2013, 22:54


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2011-03-19T07:08:27+08:00 2011-03-19T07:08:27+08:00 https://www.debunkingskeptics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1660&p=20189#p20189 <![CDATA[Re: PSYCHIC ADVERTISING]]> Statistics: Posted by NinjaPuppy — 19 Mar 2011, 07:08


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2011-03-18T21:05:48+08:00 2011-03-18T21:05:48+08:00 https://www.debunkingskeptics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1660&p=20188#p20188 <![CDATA[Re: PSYCHIC ADVERTISING]]> Statistics: Posted by ProfWag — 18 Mar 2011, 21:05


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2011-03-18T19:29:18+08:00 2011-03-18T19:29:18+08:00 https://www.debunkingskeptics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1660&p=20186#p20186 <![CDATA[Re: PSYCHIC ADVERTISING]]> Statistics: Posted by Craig Browning — 18 Mar 2011, 19:29


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2011-03-18T14:01:11+08:00 2011-03-18T14:01:11+08:00 https://www.debunkingskeptics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1660&p=20182#p20182 <![CDATA[Re: PSYCHIC ADVERTISING]]> Statistics: Posted by DMJY — 18 Mar 2011, 14:01


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2011-03-11T23:11:34+08:00 2011-03-11T23:11:34+08:00 https://www.debunkingskeptics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1660&p=20140#p20140 <![CDATA[Re: PSYCHIC ADVERTISING]]> CORRECTION: The Commercialized Psychics do this -- the "Money Grabbers" as well as those that simply don't know better, an unfortunate side-effect of the misrepresentation that's gone on for much of recorded time. Too, you will find those that started cashing in on the popular trends such as speaking with Angels, the Fairy Folk and for the past decade or so (since the success of Edwards, VanPraagh and Brown) "Dead People". . . which I personally find repulsive and not for the reasons most here would but rather my own experience with that kind of thing; to coin a phrase, "It's yucky" (when "they" step into you . . . even the conversational side of it can make you feel a bit creeped-out). The other thing you will find when it comes to "not" detouring people's view with things, is the fact that many people come to a psychic the first time because of the fantasy -- being in love with the possibility of something mystical or "special" (just as they do with a priest or rabbi).

The people that taught and guided me through the years taught me a very pragmatic way of looking at the work via which I can discount tons of the "legend" tied to Psychics & Seers. There remains a handful of situations that aren't as readily discounted though I do have some personal theories that could be linked to them as a quasi-logical explanation. . . the jury is still out however. This brings us to situations in which a very genuine "outside" influence could exist. . . just not as frequently or prolifically as we're lead to believe. . . as I've said, I can't imagine anyone want to do this sort of thing steadily and too, from people in the Psychic camp, many frauds have been found based on a handful of things;

1.) The fact that nothing is there... that is to say that psychics that have the ability to read Auras and see energy/entities, can't see or discern a second presence.

2.) Little Nasties. . . as they are referred to by authors Donald Michael Kraig and P.I. Bonewits; elementals that enjoy "playing" with the dumb humans who buy into the ego-based idea that they are "special" and able to "channel", failing to weigh the fact that someone that was brutish and evil in life will be the same way in death or worse, you are being manipulated by a negative source. Either way, we are looking at a potentially dangerous scenario.

Understand, these two points stem from within the purview of the Occult Science view on things -- information that is understood by the adept. Sadly, there are more fools in the world than people willing to walk the narrow way.

I cannot speak for all these other people other than to point out the few things I've shared. What I know however, is that I do not make claims that go outside my personal understanding and the general philosophy I've shared here. This is one reason I say that the Site is "Fluffy-Cloud Free" and warn visitors that my approach will be quite different from the typical on-line Psychics. Even the articles & blog spots attached to the site sustain the ideas and views I've shared here -- mysticism, most certainly, but not in a usury manner.

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2011-03-11T05:07:41+08:00 2011-03-11T05:07:41+08:00 https://www.debunkingskeptics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1660&p=20139#p20139 <![CDATA[Re: PSYCHIC ADVERTISING]]> Statistics: Posted by really? — 11 Mar 2011, 05:07


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2011-03-11T02:04:37+08:00 2011-03-11T02:04:37+08:00 https://www.debunkingskeptics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1660&p=20137#p20137 <![CDATA[Re: PSYCHIC ADVERTISING]]> Statistics: Posted by Arouet — 11 Mar 2011, 02:04


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2011-03-11T00:40:39+08:00 2011-03-11T00:40:39+08:00 https://www.debunkingskeptics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1660&p=20133#p20133 <![CDATA[Re: PSYCHIC ADVERTISING]]>
I joke about being only 93% skeptic. The reason for this is very simple and yes, logical; every once in a while certain things happen that cannot be explained away. I'm far from ignorant when it comes to knowing what to look for and consider, especially given my background in magic and effects development. So when I do a Reading that pegs certain things about the sitter, information I have absolutely no way of knowing, I have to accept the fact that there is far "more" to it all than the rationalists are willing to accept.

Some years ago I was working in Reno, Nevada when a gent came in looking a bit shaken. He told me up-front that he didn't believe in all this stuff but he was desperate and needed some clarity about some things in his life.

The man sat there like a rock, no expressions whatsoever! No feed back, no change in breathing patterns -- pure rock!

I went through the cards and told him what I was seeing -- travel by air for business sake, a change of mind/psychic intervention, followed by death and calamity.

When I was done he broke down in tears and tossed an airline ticket on the table; it was dated September 11th, 2001 -- flight 93

The two weeks after 9/11 I had three total sessions in which similar things happened. No one in the skeptic's community can explain it away without stooping to their favorite cop-out line -- Coincidence. Frankly, to have that many people in my world alone, let alone the number of other Readers I know across the nation who had similar experiences. . . well, it goes way outside the realm of probability when you look at the numbers. This is just one of my personal experiences that CANNOT be explained through Cold Reading or any of the other psycho-babble the rationalists want to promote so as to to feel superior and above such low/primitive thinking (trust me, this is how the majority of "Critical Thinkers" come across -- they're assholes).

I've stated more than a few times on this board that I'll gladly "out" any charlatan I find, they are bad for business all the way around -- they hurt the magic industry as much as they hurt the psychic world. As will be seen (as I get more and more articles posted to the site) I likewise discourage the believers in being so "blinded" by the fantasy of things Psychic; I want them to understand the more down-to-earth truth about what it means to be a Psychic.

I've gone to visit numerous Readers over the years, the majority of whom seem to suck in a major way. But every now and then you will find that odd minority that stands out from all the others. I should also point out that most of these folks, like myself, only went professional as the result of personal economic need, not as part of a planned vocation. The majority of the really "good" psychics -- the down-to-earth mystics -- are reclusive and not looking to be in the limelight unless it is avoidable. Most of them believe that pushing towards the higher profile, big money element costs you in the long run and actually causes you to loose your ability. . . your sensitivity to things; primarily due to the fact that you've chosen to serve your own ego rather than spirit/god/the higher purpose.

Two weeks ago I bought my normal brand and flavor of bread; it was less than $3.00 a loaf. Two days ago my neighbor dropped off two more loaves for me, which was now over $4.00 a loaf.

People aren't paying for "shows" and "entertainment" these days but they will throw money at those things that give them hope and in some cases, a sense of purpose. When it comes to the latter, Psychics tend to be at or near the very top of the list, not some jerk acting like he can read someone's mind from the stage. Logic, for lack of a better term, dictates that I employ my faith-based passion in order to muster together the additional income I'm going to need in the very near future, so as to pay for that $3.00 loaf of bread that will be selling for twice that sum by the end of summer. . . at least, if prices continue to soar at their current pace and big business continues to screw the little people over, as they so love to do.

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2011-03-09T19:04:13+08:00 2011-03-09T19:04:13+08:00 https://www.debunkingskeptics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1660&p=20127#p20127 <![CDATA[Re: PSYCHIC ADVERTISING]]> I supposedly visited one of the better psychics reader a couple years ago while in Sedona. The advice I received was based on common sense and was actually expected. My main issue at the time was whether or not I should pursue a new career path. I won't go into the boring detail of what she told me, but I can assure you that had I taken her advice, I would not be near as happy as I am now.

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2011-03-09T14:06:33+08:00 2011-03-09T14:06:33+08:00 https://www.debunkingskeptics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1660&p=20126#p20126 <![CDATA[Re: PSYCHIC ADVERTISING]]>

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Mine were chocolate-dipped as well. Truth be told, I'm rather superficial with readings, so I think I may have been overpaid.

Craig, on the other hand, has worked much harder and longer at his craft (which is what it is) and is likely worthy of more than mere cakelets. Plus, he strikes me as a decent and straightforward guy who, as it happens, is also a trained counsellor -- a skill which can only benefit his clients.

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2011-03-08T23:20:42+08:00 2011-03-08T23:20:42+08:00 https://www.debunkingskeptics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1660&p=20122#p20122 <![CDATA[Re: PSYCHIC ADVERTISING]]>
When I was tested by the State of Ohio (an aptitude test series) some years ago the list of 18 or so career path options they recommended included; Writing, Acting, Professional Magic, Counseling and being a Psychic within the top 12. . . go figure :roll: After three weeks of psychological "scientific testing" and several thousands of dollars later, they tell me what I already knew. . . and we wonder why States and the Nation are so far in debt :roll:

:idea: Oh! Yes, the word "Psychic" was actually on the list.

My point previously, is that everyone seeks the counsel of non-professional or improperly trained counselors daily and run the risk of being screwed over just as quickly as you are assuming people are when they go to see a psychic.

As to your link on Education in the Psychic trade, I can't say where the article got their statistics but I know, based on the people I've worked with over the years as well as what the merchants (owners of New Age stores) are encouraging, is the fact that most serious people from my generation forward that are aggressively working in this field for more than 3-5 years, will be taking classes and in many cases, getting certification if not degrees, in counseling and psych. But as I've pointed out many times before, one can take countless polls and get the statistics they want -- the information that will slant findings towards the favor of their intended readership/market sector; that's how things work in the world now days -- everything is "true" and at the same time, a "lie".

One Important Point. . . people seeking the advice of a "specialist" is very much "logical" and as such, wouldn't it be logical for a person wanting insight by a person familiar with their own way of looking at the world -- spiritually and even intellectually -- to meet with the sort of person they have both, respect and rapport with that may be able to help them see and understand things with a bit more clarity? Are you saying that such people don't have this right?

If you are, that would be akin to telling ministers they can't exist; in many an instance Psychics are in fact, clergy within a legitimate religious grouping. Granted, it may be a Wiccan type coven, but last I checked that's both, legal and generally viewed as "valid". Even on the Christian front, you will find many Readers that come from a Science of Mind background as well as Unitarians who have or are undergoing legit training for serving as counselors, and while this is frequently faith/group based, it is still formal training and religious association -- they are "officers" of that church group. So again, based on this assumption that Reader's are all evil and out to screw the public, you are saying that members of these different faiths don't have the right to patronize members of the clerical society or that the clerics themselves aren't allowed to get paid for their time and effort?

I don't buy it and I really don't want to believe that's what you're saying or even that you would want to dis-allow a person's right to choose. Yet, you are more or less implying just that based on ASSUMPTIONS and OPINIONS vs. actual EXPERIENCE. I've yet to meet a cynic that has the balls to do that latter part; they are all afraid of finding out something they don't want to believe in and conceal that fear under the ruse and argument of "Critical Thinking" a.k.a. talking yourself out of accepting that there is "more" to it all.

As I've said before, far too many situations in my life for me to weld the door shut, as so many of today's "skeptics" (cynics) have done. . . true skeptics, back in the day I was first involved in that world, NEVER shut the door that tight; most of them wanted to find that "proof" (even the Bible tells us about this, that's how long it's been going on). But "man" is still looking with his eyes, compass and calculators rather than LISTENING to hear that subtle voice or pay attention to the more etheric odds & ends that we catch dancing just outside of focused sight. Because the spiritual is not tangible and quickly "proven" it must be false and a great hustle; and yet, most of the ancient adepts & teachers told us that this was in fact, the case -- it's ALL an Illusion . . . I know you'll probably not comprehend what that means at first, but I have faith that you will eventually start to catch a glimmer of it. ;)

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2011-03-08T03:46:04+08:00 2011-03-08T03:46:04+08:00 https://www.debunkingskeptics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1660&p=20108#p20108 <![CDATA[Re: PSYCHIC ADVERTISING]]> Statistics: Posted by ProfWag — 08 Mar 2011, 03:46


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2011-03-08T00:39:37+08:00 2011-03-08T00:39:37+08:00 https://www.debunkingskeptics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1660&p=20104#p20104 <![CDATA[Re: PSYCHIC ADVERTISING]]>
Starts with friends & family members, the barber/hair dresser, bartender and for big city dwellers taxi drivers seem to come into the mix. While many will go to their clergyman the modern alternative is the Psychic who is likewise the "next step" when the clergy fail to satisfy the person in need.

While those that live in metropolitan areas, especially near a college campus, will consider professional counselors quicker than rural dwellers (who tend to be more religiously focused). HOWEVER, even with this vocation group in play, fewer males will seek such help due to the stigma it creates both, within their world as well as their own mind -- admitting "weakness" and needing to "talk" and expose "feelings" is the same as castrating yourself and surrounding your "man hood"; this is how the majority of red-blooded "American" males look at it. "Real Mean" don't need psychiatric help and they don't eat quiche :roll:

BUT... they will come to see a Reader, even though they make up less than 15% of the typical clientèle Readers see.

THE DICHOTOMY, as least when it comes to word-play, is that the majority of sessions I have with clients DON'T involve me actually working through the Reading but rather, being a sounding board and in some instances, a "friend" that can be rented when needed.

If you stop and think about it, that's all any counselor does at least 75-80% of the time. The balance of that time is composed of efforts to help the client see alternative paths -- choices -- and where possible bolster their self-confidence and motivation to "claim their own power" and dig themselves out of the rut they happen to be in. . . which isn't always the case. Frequently the task presented is nothing more than patting the client on the back and letting them know that they are O.K. The cards, Runes, etc. are nothing more than a focusing tool -- a system that helps the sitter tap his/her own subconscious and confirm for themselves things they already know and know need to be done. In the past 5 years alone, nine out of ten Readings convey the same two "lessons" -- simplify your life but get involved with it at the same time. My counsel being to turn off the Tweets, Facebooks, etc. and learn how to actually COMMUNICATE and BUILD RELATIONSHIPS with living, breathing human beings -- PARTICIPATE in life vs. the impersonal antics we see at such a prolific level these days.

The "Legitimacy" claim I make is that I offer a service based on a handful of esoteric systems I've studied and worked with for over 30 years. I use that system alongside counseling techniques that I've had formal training in. You'll find that the majority of todays professional Readers have at least a B.A. in counseling with a growing number hosting much higher levels of formal certification. I know of one lady in Las Vegas with a Ph.D. in Psychology + a Psychiatry Doctorate and lesser degrees in Anthropology and Religious History. . . she's a kind of perpetual student, which is a curse most serious Readers in todays world tend to be -- we're not content with the "basics" you might say.

Again, rather than bashing the book because of its cover, try learning about its content and what it really says. You may be surprised. ;)

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2011-03-07T20:23:21+08:00 2011-03-07T20:23:21+08:00 https://www.debunkingskeptics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1660&p=20095#p20095 <![CDATA[Re: PSYCHIC ADVERTISING]]> Statistics: Posted by ProfWag — 07 Mar 2011, 20:23


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