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SCEPCOP Forum Scientific Committee to Evaluate PseudoSkeptic Criticism of the Paranormal 2011-02-14T04:23:14+08:00 https://www.debunkingskeptics.com/forum/feed.php?f=2&t=1629 2011-02-14T04:23:14+08:00 2011-02-14T04:23:14+08:00 https://www.debunkingskeptics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1629&p=19519#p19519 <![CDATA[Re: Do bogus claims actually hurt serious investigation of p]]> [/quote]

Well thanks for describing Gilbran. I do tend to take these issues seriously because as far as the origin of our universe goes I think (personal opinion) that consciousness or information may be the missing element though we don't have the ability at our point in time to research this using the scientific method. Perhaps both the religionists, spiritualists and atheists are all correct at the same time (at least in some aspects). I could have sworn that I've had quite a few encounters with ESP myself though these events always seemed to happen when I wasn't trying. I still never considered myself 'psychic'. I still believe there are a few real ones but I've always been skeptical of the 'tv' and 'phone' ones.

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2011-02-07T03:56:42+08:00 2011-02-07T03:56:42+08:00 https://www.debunkingskeptics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1629&p=19460#p19460 <![CDATA[Re: Do bogus claims actually hurt serious investigation of p]]> Gibran () was a popular poet & writer that worked from a spiritual perspective. I still find it humorous however, how he is seen by many facets in the Christian world as a legitimate "Prophet" while others who've taught and said much of the same he's shared over the years, are looked upon with contempt.

I do agree with you when it comes to how half-wits combine various things into one massive bundle.

Professionally I'm a Mystery or Psychic Entertainer (retired) and as such I find myself fit to be tied much of time, because all the kiddies that have jumped onto the proverbial bandwagon associated with this field - mentalism & bizarre magick along side hypnosis -- don't know the first thing about what is what. This is especially true when it comes to the difference between donning a blindfold and doing an Intuition based demonstration vs. wearing a blindfold and claiming to be Clairvoyant. Exoterically (on the surface) it will look as if both are the same but they aren't; the Intuitionist cannot see into your pockets or purse and tell you how much change you have, nor can they predict future events based on "Visions". Such demonstrations involve Clairvoyant ability and yet I see fools mixing the two constantly, giving no regard as to how they are being laughed at by a public that knows more about the subject than they're willing to learn. Magician's just love to do tricks and typically lack the audacity required for creating miracles. :twisted:

I see similar things in the New Age/Pagan communities especially with the success of John Edward & Ms. Brown. . . suddenly everyone became a "Psychic-Medium" which is a bit of a redundancy given that one of the primary psychic abilities out there is "Clairvoyance" e.g. being able to make contact with the unseen and ethereal. Mediumship involves at least one of the "Clair" abilities (Clairvoyance, Clairsentient, Clairessence, etc.) but rarely involves more than two, with one being more dominate than the other. Notice how Edward describes things in symbols; this is Clairvoyance which is exactly what he's always claimed while he does express some limited aspects of Clairessence (tactile expression). I point this out because of how Ms. Brown blurs all of these things into one big heap when she blurts things out, she's horrid!

When it comes to these same Metaphysical types grabbing onto tid-bits of legit scientific studies I have to chuckle in that most are making a really big mountain out of data that barely composes a mole hill.

Yes, there is data coupled with tons of THEORY that suggests certain aspects of psychic ability and metaphysical claims (like after-life, the existence of a soul, aura, etc.) a PLAUSIBLE and in some instances, such as Telepathy, a bit more than that. But, these patrons of the fantastic are so desperate to not be wrong that they do the same thing people who negate their beliefs do -- they take things to an extreme rather than finding that mid-point in which the greater reality resides. The stubbornness of mind results in the creation of a potpourri sense of expression (a little bit of everything) that might seem nice on the surface, but sours in short time and proves rotten rather quickly... it falls apart even before you break out the magnifying glass let alone a microscope. The reason being that they (all of us, actually) do not have the patience to let things solidify, we see connections of all the dots but fail to see what is in between each point, which results in a muddled mess in the majority of cases.

I wish I could be more clear with things, but we haven't time nor space. . . nor desire to take on such a giant challenge. ;)

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2011-02-06T18:56:29+08:00 2011-02-06T18:56:29+08:00 https://www.debunkingskeptics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1629&p=19457#p19457 <![CDATA[Re: Do bogus claims actually hurt serious investigation of p]]> Statistics: Posted by Paradox — 06 Feb 2011, 18:56


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2011-02-06T00:33:18+08:00 2011-02-06T00:33:18+08:00 https://www.debunkingskeptics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1629&p=19456#p19456 <![CDATA[Re: Do bogus claims actually hurt serious investigation of p]]> Statistics: Posted by derrida — 06 Feb 2011, 00:33


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2011-02-05T05:30:56+08:00 2011-02-05T05:30:56+08:00 https://www.debunkingskeptics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1629&p=19453#p19453 <![CDATA[Re: Do bogus claims actually hurt serious investigation of p]]>
I can tell you for fact that far more straight men cross dress than Gay men and the majority of the gay people in the world AREN'T the "pretty ones" -- the one's dressed in designer everything, with the top model body, hair, etc. No, most of them are invisible to the average person and truth be known, a lot of them aren't very "proud" when it comes to being stigmatized by the FREAKS -- labeled as something they aren't.

This is true with the Psychic world and why so many people (myself included) roll their eyes the minute someone say's they are Psychic and begin rambling about seeing this, hearing that, et al. But then you have the real frauds -- the predators that take on a psychic image for the sole purpose of ripping people off. . . an contrary to the uneducated opinion of most skeptics, such individuals are a minority within the psychic industry and yet, all of us that work that world endure the negative taint (very few having the required teeth for snapping back :roll: )

Whenever a predator type (charlatan) or potentially dangerous Cult-Builder is found, it is typically the other Readers in an area that expose them and run them out of town NOT THE COPS OR MAGICIANS CHASING A HEADLINE. But this is a side to the Psychic world few know about or even think possible.

My point to all of this is how a group of people get judged based on what a minority element does or has been made public in highly dramatic ways (like the press harping on things).

Squeaky Wheels always get the attention -- the one's that are the loudest, most obnoxious and visible. When some screw-ball runs around on YouTube (for example) doing well known magic tricks and CONvicing people that he's a genuine psychic ( :roll: not that such videos have ever found their way here :roll: ) it isn't just an insult to the more sincere and honest people working in that world, it is a dangerous insult to the general public.

A COUPLE OF CORRECTIONS HOWEVER. . . you are confusing Metaphysical beliefs with the Psychic issue. While they tend to have a connection with one another, one can live a metaphysically oriented life and not buy into all the psychic stuff; you can literally live as a Wiccan and never participate in the working of spells, casting of hexes, etc. In the case at hand you will find many Buddhist teachings that condemn those that "perform" miraculous things such as seeing the future, levitation, and such. As His Holiness would put it, "Who does such great works serve?"

They serve NO ONE other than the person doing them who is compelled to demonstrate such things in order to have followers -- he's weak and desperate without followers and therefore not an enlightened one as claimed. Understand?

When it comes to Reincarnation, while many who call themselves "Psychics" believe in it, not all that believe are psychic... it's not requisite and it may interest you to know that this isn't just one of the oldest known spiritual teachings, it was likewise a primary aspect of early Christianity well into the 6th century (though it was officially condemned and removed from the Orthodox canons in the mid-5th century).

My belief in Reincarnation stems from many experiences but even ignoring that, it's the logic found in the ideology that appeals most to me in that I don't believe in a single almighty deity with a throne, big book of Boo, etc. While the deity might exist, something so omnipotent certainly would have created a system for checks & balances that would aid its creation rather than destroying it, don't you think?

Given the many things you question and how you word those questions, I still believe you would be doing yourself a tremendous amount of good if you simply stopped rambling and meandering long enough to just listen... to pick up a copy of Gibran for an example, and read it out loud so you can HEAR what the words say.

You're starting on a quest but you've yet to accept that it's time for an adventure. Instead, you're sitting there trying to find reason and understanding without introducing yourself to the proverbial bull and grabbing him by the horns... the bull's name is LIFE... try taking a ride on it. ;)

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2011-02-02T14:28:32+08:00 2011-02-02T14:28:32+08:00 https://www.debunkingskeptics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1629&p=19428#p19428 <![CDATA[Do bogus claims actually hurt serious investigation of psi?]]> Statistics: Posted by Paradox — 02 Feb 2011, 14:28


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