)I will add this Brett, if ghosts exist, then his theory could potentially be more solid. What I don't understand from him, however, is what drew him to the conclusion that some make it and some don't and what 3 things we must do to make sure we make it to the light? I would love to see his research that brought him to that conclusion. It may be hidden away in his website somewhere, but I have my hands full with conspiracy theories...
Statistics: Posted by ProfWag — 09 Nov 2009, 22:37
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guess we will agree to disagree once again , but i do enjoy our discussions - as you post more than the one line comments much beloved of some skeptics
you will do for me
and yea OK no more of Vic's videos
Statistics: Posted by brett — 09 Nov 2009, 21:58
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I'm watching Vic now, so let me submit the following comments concerning his video: (quotes are his comments to show what he says, not exact as I was not transcribing, word for word.)
Fact 1 was "science does not support those who argue against the afterlife." They don't? I've never read a peer reviewed journal article that even suggests there is an afterlife.
Fact 2: Science support those who argue for the existence of the afterlife.“ “if this then that.” Fact 2 is, well, pointless if Fact #1 would be a valid statement.
Fact 3: “The evidence for the afterlife is scientific and is repeatable.. No, it’s not and has not. Again, not one scientific, peer reviewed journal article supports his statement. Looking at his website, he refers to Dr. Schwartz’ experiments as scientific evidence and has been repeatable. Unfortunately, his experiments have fallen short of scientific credibility which is why he’s going to try again in 2011.
Fact 4: “Nobody (genuses, philosophers, etc.) has been able to show why the afterlife is not valid.” No, they haven’t. They also have not shown why psychics, Bigfoot, or aliens are not valid either. If Fact #3 was true as he says, then there would be no Fact #4 which is important to remember and understand why Vic’s statements are not credible and are misleading.
Fact #5: “Without exception, we will be crossing over.” If he means “dies,” then yes, I agree with it. However, he’s not referring to death as he goes on to say regardless of our religious beliefs, there is an afterlife. No, his statement has not been proven. If he means our souls go somewhere else, then no, he has no evidence for that as I referred to after Facts 1, 3, and 4.
Fact #6: “When we cross over, we will be met by a loved one or a friend who will help you cross over. It’s a wonderful place, a beautiful place, this realm of the light.” This he has obviously pulled out from deep within his ass. I think I now know why Scepcop has irritable bowels. I’ll bet Vic does also. How does he know this? What empirical, scientific evidence does he have for this? I’ll answer for you. None.
Fact #7: “Not everyone who crosses over will make it to the realm of the light.” Even more preposterous of a statement than Fact 6 as he has no scientific evidence for this.
He does on to tell us that if we want to go to the realm of the light, while on earth we must 1)“keep an open mind.” (read “believe in Victor Zammit”) 2)“We must help those who come our way.” (good suggestion) 3) While here, read about the afterlife (read “buy my books”.)
Brett, after reviewing this video with an open mind, and after skimming his website for his 23 proofs , his comments are unfounded, fact-less, based on personal opinion, refers to invalid experiments and are totally unscientific. I can’t subscribe to virtually any word he says (except helping people who come our way.) If one has a personal belief that there is no God but an afterlife, then Vic’s your man to have in your corner. I will not say for certain that there is no afterlife as (as you have said) neither one of us can prove it one way or the other, but it doesn’t make logical sense to me. And finally, please, don’t refer me to another of Victor Zammit’s comments, either on video or in words unless it is supported by solid, scientific evidence.
Statistics: Posted by ProfWag — 09 Nov 2009, 19:33
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you see the great thing about those of us who DO accept that there IS some form of continuance is this , if there IS , we have it covered , and if there is nothing ( as you seem to think ) - then whats to worry about ?? as it will be like going to sleep - but no waking up in the morning with rampant arthritis ,back ache or what ever ills you -we just wont know any thing - because there will be nothing to know ,( including of course that we where wrong about the whole afterlife thing ) - what i would class as a "win win " situation
OK you may say but you spent your whole life believing a fallacy - again whats to worry ?? - so i believed a fallacy - but i wont know i believed a fallacy will i ?? - because there is nothing - hence i will never know that
- not an elegant way of putting it maybe - but you get my drift -( and of course there is the small side issue of IF there IS some form of continuance that YOU have beleived in the fallicy of there NOT being all your lives - which you will THEN have to deal with ) so come on guys indulge me for a mo and just consider the REAL premise of victors argument ( not being distracted by the million dollars etc )
or are you afraid to actually do so ?? , and i don't mean that in any derogatory way
Statistics: Posted by brett — 08 Nov 2009, 12:10
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Statistics: Posted by brett — 06 Nov 2009, 12:39
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