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Study - Pharmaceutical Drugs Kill More Than Auto Accidents

Postby Scepcop » Fri Nov 11, 2011 5:50 pm

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Study Confirms Prescription Pharmaceutical Drugs Kill More People Than Vehicle Accidents

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Powered by a rise in doctor prescribed narcotic overdoses, prescription drug fatalities now exceed traffic deaths in America, a Times examination of federal government data found.

Prescription drugs surpassed automobile accidents as a contributing factor to death in '09, eradicating no less than 37,485 persons nationally, based on initial data from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

While many key factors of preventable loss of life are decreasing, prescription medication is an exception. The death toll has more than doubled over the last 10 years, now claiming a life just about every forteen minutes. In comparison, traffic mishaps have already been decreasing for decades on account of huge investment strategies in automotive safety.

Public health specialists have applied the comparability to highlight the nation's escalating doctor prescribed pharmaceutical dilemma, which they define being a crisis. This is actually the very first time that drugs have accounted for more deaths than traffic crashes ever since the federal government began keeping track of drug-induced fatalities in 1979.

Pushing the upturn in deaths are health professional prescribed pain, stress and anxiety prescription drugs that happen to be powerful, extremely hard to kick and particularly hazardous when combined together or along with other alcohol or drugs. Being among the most commonly over used are OxyContin, Vicodin, Xanax and Soma. One particular relative newbie to the prescription drug arena is Fentanyl, a painkiller which comes by means of patches and lollipops which is 100 times much stronger than morphine.

These kinds of prescription drugs now result in much more fatalities than heroin and cocaine combined.
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Re: Study - Pharmaceutical Drugs Kill More Than Auto Acciden

Postby craig weiler » Fri Nov 11, 2011 6:27 pm

Those are just the official numbers. Other research shows that about 100,000 people die each year from prescription medication. And about 2.1 million are injured.
http://www.cancure.org/medical_errors.htm

Too bad they weren't placebos. They probably would have done more good.
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Re: Study - Pharmaceutical Drugs Kill More Than Auto Acciden

Postby NinjaPuppy » Fri Nov 11, 2011 6:35 pm

I must interject here.

Study Confirms Prescription Pharmaceutical Drugs Kill More People Than Vehicle Accidents
It's not the drugs, it's dumbass doctors and people. It's the same here as the argument, "Guns don't kill people, people kill people".
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Re: Study - Pharmaceutical Drugs Kill More Than Auto Acciden

Postby craig weiler » Fri Nov 11, 2011 6:55 pm

I don't think that's an entirely valid argument Ninjapuppy. Guns don't kill people, but people with guns are more likely to kill than those without them. The drugs have to have the capability of causing harm in order to cause harm. Like guns, using them entails quite a bit of risk.
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Re: Study - Pharmaceutical Drugs Kill More Than Auto Acciden

Postby Arouet » Fri Nov 11, 2011 7:22 pm

Of course drugs can cause harm. It's because they actually DO somethign in the body! And obviously we should try to prevent overdoses and minimise the negative effects. But the number to compare it to is not auto-accidents but how many lives are saved from taking pharmaceuticals. I suspect it is far more than 37,000!
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Re: Study - Pharmaceutical Drugs Kill More Than Auto Acciden

Postby ProfWag » Fri Nov 11, 2011 9:34 pm

Didn't we just recently discuss this in-depth? I'm pretty sure we did and I'm pretty sure I won the debate... ;-) (just kidding...again...)
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Re: Study - Pharmaceutical Drugs Kill More Than Auto Acciden

Postby ProfWag » Fri Nov 11, 2011 9:57 pm

NinjaPuppy wrote:I must interject here.

Study Confirms Prescription Pharmaceutical Drugs Kill More People Than Vehicle Accidents
It's not the drugs, it's dumbass doctors and people. It's the same here as the argument, "Guns don't kill people, people kill people".

Or there's this:

Homeopathy Don’t Kill People, Homeopaths do.
http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2007/06 ... paths.html (Warning--if you're not a skeptic, you may not enjoy that page so it may be best to just not open it...)
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Re: Study - Pharmaceutical Drugs Kill More Than Auto Acciden

Postby NinjaPuppy » Fri Nov 11, 2011 10:41 pm

craig weiler wrote:I don't think that's an entirely valid argument Ninjapuppy. Guns don't kill people, but people with guns are more likely to kill than those without them. The drugs have to have the capability of causing harm in order to cause harm. Like guns, using them entails quite a bit of risk.

It all boils down to incorrect use that causes problems. As for people with guns being more likely to kill... I say "rubbish". While there are many women who posess guns, we women prefer to kill using poison. I tried looking for some stats but all I find is "How to kill zombies" on some computer game.
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Re: Study - Pharmaceutical Drugs Kill More Than Auto Acciden

Postby NinjaPuppy » Fri Nov 11, 2011 10:45 pm

ProfWag wrote:Didn't we just recently discuss this in-depth?

It's all your fault! You and your pro-government, military agenda for life, liberty and the persuit of happiness people. Not to forget that freedom of speech thing written into that Constitution thing you pro-government peeps are always fighting for.
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Re: Study - Pharmaceutical Drugs Kill More Than Auto Acciden

Postby NinjaPuppy » Fri Nov 11, 2011 10:46 pm

ProfWag wrote:Homeopathy Don’t Kill People, Homeopaths do.
http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2007/06 ... paths.html (Warning--if you're not a skeptic, you may not enjoy that page so it may be best to just not open it...)

Don't worry, I didn't. :lol:
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Re: Study - Pharmaceutical Drugs Kill More Than Auto Acciden

Postby craig weiler » Fri Nov 11, 2011 11:29 pm

I read the article. It's an opinion piece. Like so many other skeptics he just assumes that he knows what he's talking about.

Please remember y'all that when figuring out the awesomeness of pharmaceuticals you have to take into account how they're typically prescribed. Or should I say over-prescribed. If you have a system where that typically happens you need less aggressive drugs.
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Re: Study - Pharmaceutical Drugs Kill More Than Auto Acciden

Postby ProfWag » Sat Nov 12, 2011 11:06 am

NinjaPuppy wrote:
ProfWag wrote:Didn't we just recently discuss this in-depth?

It's all your fault! You and your pro-government, military agenda for life, liberty and the persuit of happiness people. Not to forget that freedom of speech thing written into that Constitution thing you pro-government peeps are always fighting for.
BTW, Happy Veteran's Day and thank you!

LOL!
No problem. I'm actually not all that pro-government/pro military though. It was a job and a good source of retirement income for me and that's about it. At one time, I wanted to become a politician, but I've since realized how corrupt, lazy, and backward government entities really are.
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Re: Study - Pharmaceutical Drugs Kill More Than Auto Acciden

Postby Craig Browning » Sat Nov 12, 2011 5:12 pm

craig weiler wrote:I don't think that's an entirely valid argument Ninjapuppy. Guns don't kill people, but people with guns are more likely to kill than those without them. The drugs have to have the capability of causing harm in order to cause harm. Like guns, using them entails quite a bit of risk.


I can assure you that I don't need a gun to kill someone and in my case the most likely weapons I'd use are those that would be least detectable (unless the docs are looking for it). Granted, I'm quite educated in the arena of poisons but that's not the limit to how one can go about killing another human being. Guns haven't been around nearly as long as rocks, knives, swords, Bow & Arrow, Blow Guns, rope and a few hundred other odds & ends our ancestors have welded for millennia.

Guns DON'T KILL and NO, people who own guns aren't more prone to kill, that's left-wing bull shit. I grew up around firearms (notice my last name) and I, nor any member of my family over the past 5 generations, have ever killed someone out of anger -- as a solder, most certainly, but not out of anger, jealousy, being too drunk or drug dependent, etc. So stop blaming the guns and realize that it is the individual; usually someone that was never taught to respect the weapons, who grew up in an angry environment, with very little self-control.

In the case of the drug issue, it is likely that a lot of people on prescription meds are responsible for certain incidents but again, there is usually a very big human factor behind each situation, the usual guilt being found in persons that. . .

    Have a bad reaction to the med
    Who Abuse the script and don't follow proper use guidelines
    Who are Addicted to a Particular RX
    Who have been Wrongly Prescribed/Over Prescribed

I'm on close to 20 prescriptions and though I have had certain ones that added to my Depression, Anxiety and Paranoia I've never acted out any form of violence outside of a temper tantrum which typically comes out of frustration (and yes, I'm an old sailor as well as an Irishman so I can get quite colorful when I'm heated up). It was when I WASN'T on my specific meds that I was more prone to reach out and "touch" folks that got in my way, and as my step-daughters old boy friend put it, "It's not wise to upset a man with a foot that moves at 60 mph"

Truthfully, I don't know of anyone outside those fitting the above list of particulars, that isn't more settled and at peace and are less violent as the result of their medication. I am not aware of a single incident in which persons that take their meds according to the instructions, who are responsible with their medication and work with both, a trusted pharmacist & doctor so as to guard against interactions. . . in short, I can't find a single incident such as this article dramatizes, that does not fit into one of the above niche group explanations. In other words, when people use common sense with drugs, guns or anything else, all is usually well and good. It's only when you add stupid, irresponsibility, lack of personal obligation that the converse becomes manifested.
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Re: Study - Pharmaceutical Drugs Kill More Than Auto Acciden

Postby craig weiler » Mon Nov 14, 2011 3:42 am

Craig,
Guns + People = death by gun. According to Wikipedia we have 15.22 deaths by firearm per 100,000 people. By that standard we're the 5th most deadly nation in the world. (Behind Colombia and South Africa.) Japan? .07. Clearly, the presence of guns makes a difference in the death rate by firearm.

As for prescription meds? Advil can cause the liver damage and antibiotics can seriously disrupt the digestive tract and cause a whole different set of health problems. Even aspirin can give you ulcers. There is a very real risk from pharmaceuticals and you have to ask yourself if they are worth it. If they are, great. Use them. But if any alternative medicine works, that's the way to go because there is so much less harm to the body.

My mother in law is an example of this. She is taking steroids for a disease that she has. Nasty stuff those, and she has been on them for ten years now. They are basically killing her more slowly than the disease, and they are causing her a great deal of suffering.
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Re: Study - Pharmaceutical Drugs Kill More Than Auto Acciden

Postby ProfWag » Mon Nov 14, 2011 4:18 pm

craig weiler wrote: But if any alternative medicine works, that's the way to go...

Ahhhh yes, therein lies the real issue to what we're talking about. I don't think there is a person on the planet that wouldn't rather be healthy and not have to take prescriptions (sans drugies), and if someone could take alternative medicine that works without side effects, then, I believe, most would. As you stated however, if any alternative medicine works...
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