Discuss Conspiracies and Cover Ups - e.g. 9/11 Truth, JFK Assassination, New World Order, Roswell, Moon Hoax, Secret Societies, etc. whatever conspiracy floats your boat.
by Scepcop » 14 Jan 2010, 05:12
Skeptics, I dare you to try to refute these aviation and military experts, point by point, regarding the Pentagon Crash and the many arguments that thoroughly debunk it from multiple angles.
This should be a good laugh watching you guys run away in denial and ridicule again. Here are some clips from "Zero - An Investigation into 9/11" about the Pentagon Crash, featuring Nobel Prize Winners (which are great thinkers at least), aviation and military experts. Listen to their irrefutable logical and factual points. It will be funny to see your vain attempts against this one. But DO NOT respond to this thread until you've seen ALL the clips below!
“Devotion to the truth is the hallmark of morality; there is no greater, nobler, more heroic form of devotion than the act of a man who assumes the responsibility of thinking.” - Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged
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by ProfWag » 14 Jan 2010, 08:57
Did I have a post deleted or did I accidently hit "exit" without submitting my post? If it was deleted, I can understand since I stated I wouldn't watch the video, but I do not like readers thinking that I got dared to do something and COULDN'T follow through... Now, I'll watch the videos IF, and that's IF, Scepcop admits that he researched at least some of the information presented in the videos to determine its validity, otherwise, I still see no reason to waste 40 minutes of my life watching something that may or may not be true. Do you?
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by ProfWag » 14 Jan 2010, 09:03
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by NinjaPuppy » 14 Jan 2010, 09:14
I looked in the Moderator logs and it wasn't deleted so you must have gotten all excited. Check your draft box, it might be hiding in there.
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by tiger » 15 Jan 2010, 06:52
Welcome back. I do not want to watch 40 minutes of ****. So before I do (this is not to say that I will), a few questions 1. Any reason for me to think this is any better than any of the other Youtube videos on this forum? 2. Any of this peer reviewed? 3. How about a summary of the main points? 4. Any of this in any respectable magazine? I am after things as good as these Performance based structural fire engineering for modern building design Rini, D., Lamont, S. 2008 Proceedings of the 2008 Structures Congress - Structures Congress 2008: Crossing the Borders 314
Engineering perspective of the collapse of WTC-I Irfanoglu, A., Hoffmann, C.M. 2008 Journal of Performance of Constructed Facilities 22 (1),
Collapse of towers as applied to September 11 events Cherepanov, G.P. 2008 Materials Science 44 (4), pp. 489-499
Modeling pre-evacuation delay by occupants in World Trade Center Towers 1 and 2 on September 11, 2001 Kuligowski, E.D., Mileti, D.S. 2008 Fire Safety Journal
World Trade Center building disaster: Stimulus for innovations Kodur, V.K.R. 2008 Indian Concrete Journal 82 (1), pp. 23-31
A collective undergraduate class project reconstructing the September 11, 2001 world trade center fire Marshall, A., Quintiere, J. 2007 ASEE Annual Conference and Exposition, Conference Proceedings
"A new era": The limits of engineering expertise in a post-9/11 world Pfatteicher, S.K.A. 2007 International Symposium on Technology and Society, Proceedings, art. no. 4362228
Progressive collapse of the World Trade Center: Simple analysis Seffen, K.A. 2008 Journal of Engineering Mechanics 134 (2), pp. 125-132
Scale modeling of the 96th floor of world trade center tower 1 Wang, M., Chang, P., Quintiere, J., Marshall, A. 2007 Journal of Performance of Constructed Facilities 21 (6), pp. 414-421
Failure of welded floor truss connections from the exterior wall during collapse of the world trade center towers Banovic, S.W., Siewert, T.A. 2007 Welding Journal (Miami, Fla) 86 (9), pp. 263-s-272-s
The collapse of the world trade center towers: A metallurgist's view Gayle, F.W. 2007 MRS Bulletin 32 (9), pp. 710-716
Building code changes reflect world trade center investigation Hansen, B. 2007 Civil Engineering 77 (9), pp. 22+24-25
Fire load in a steel building design Razdolsky, L. 2008 Proceedings of the 4th International Structural Engineering and Construction Conference, ISEC-4 - Innovations in Structural Engineering and Construction 2, pp. 1163-1167
The structural steel of the World Trade Center towers Gayle, F.W., Banovic, S.W., Foecke, T., Fields, R.J., Luecke, W.E., McColskey, J.D., McCown, C., Siewert, T.A. 2006 Journal of Failure Analysis and Prevention 6 (5), pp. 5-8
Progressive collapse of structures: Annotated bibliography and comparison of codes and standards Mohamed, O.A. 2006 Journal of Performance of Constructed Facilities 20 (4), art. no. 001604QCF, pp. 418-425
A simple model of the World Trade Center fireball dynamics Baum, H.R., Rehm, R.G., Quintiere, J.G. 2005 Proceedings of the Combustion Institute 30 II, pp. 2247-2254
Impact of the Boeing 767 Aircraft into the World Trade Center Karim, M.R., Hoo Fatt, M.S. 2005 Journal of Engineering Mechanics 131 (10), pp. 1066-1072
High-fidelity simulation of large-scale structures Hoffmann, C., Sameh, A., Grama, A. 2005 Lecture Notes in Computer Science 3515 (II), pp. 664-671
Collapses of the world trade center towers [No author name available] 2005 Indian Concrete Journal 79 (8), pp. 11-16
Industry updates: Fireproofing, staircases cited in World Trade Center report [No author name available] 2005 Journal of Failure Analysis and Prevention 5 (4), pp. 34
September 11 and fracture mechanics - A retrospective Cherepanov, G.P. 2005 International Journal of Fracture 132 (2), pp. L25-L26
Structural responses of World Trade Center under aircraft attacks Omika, Y., Fukuzawa, E., Koshika, N., Morikawa, H., Fukuda, R. 2005 Journal of Structural Engineering 131 (1), pp. 6-15
Impact of the 2001 World Trade Center attack on critical interdependent infrastructures Mendonça, D., Lee II, E.E., Wallace, W.A. 2004 Conference Proceedings - IEEE International Conference on Systems, Man and Cybernetics 5, pp. 4053-4058
Use of high-efficiency energy absorbing device to arrest progressive collapse of tall building Zhou, Q., Yu, T.X. 2004 Journal of Engineering Mechanics 130 (10), pp. 1177-1187
Progressive analysis procedure for progressive collapse Marjanishvili, S.M. 2004 Journal of Performance of Constructed Facilities 18 (2), pp. 79-85
Lessons learned on improving resistance of buildings to terrorist attacks Corley, W.G. 2004 Journal of Performance of Constructed Facilities 18 (2), pp. 68-78
Anatomy of a disaster: A structural investigation of the World Trade Center collapses Abboud, N., Levy, M., Tennant, D., Mould, J., Levine, H., King, S., Ekwueme, C., (...), Hart, G. 2003 Forensic Engineering, Proceedings of the Congress, pp. 360-370
World Trade Center disaster: Damage/debris assessment Thater, G.G., Panariello, G.F., Cuoco, D.A. 2003 Forensic Engineering, Proceedings of the Congress, pp. 383-392
How did the WTC towers collapse: A new theory Usmani, A.S., Chung, Y.C., Torero, J.L. 2003 Fire Safety Journal 38 (6), pp. 501-533
Microstructural analysis of the steels from Buildings 7, & 1 or 2 from the World Trade Center Biederman, R.R., Sullivan, E.M., Sisson Jr., R.D., Vander Voort, G.F. 2003 Microscopy and Microanalysis 9 (SUPPL. 2), pp. 550-551
Brannigan, F.L. "WTC: Lightweight Steel and High-Rise Buildings" Fire Engineering v.155, no. 4, (2002): 145-150.
Analysis of the thermal exposure in the impact areas of the World Trade Center terrorist attacks Beyler, C., White, D., Peatross, M., Trellis, J., Li, S., Luers, A., Hopkins, D. 2003 Forensic Engineering, Proceedings of the Congress, pp. 371-382
Clifton, Charles G. Elaboration on Aspects of the Postulated Collapse of the World Trade Centre Twin Towers HERA: Innovation in Metals. 2001. 13 December 2001.
"Construction and Collapse Factors" Fire Engineering v.155, no. 10, (2002): 106-108.
Bazant, Z.P., & Zhou, Y. "Addendum to 'Why Did the World Trade Center Collapse? - Simple Analysis" (pdf) Journal of Engineering Mechanics v. 128, no. 3, (2002): 369-370.
Corbett, G.P. "Learning and Applying the Lessons of the WTC Disaster" Fire Engineering v.155, no. 10, (2002.): 133-135.
"Dissecting the Collapses" Civil Engineering ASCE v. 72, no. 5, (2002): 36-46.
Eagar, T.W., & Musso, C. "Why Did the World Trade Center Collapse? Science, Engineering, and Speculation" JOM v. 53, no. 12, (2001): 8-12.
Federal Emergency Management Agency, Therese McAllister, report editor. World Trade Center Building Performance Study: Data Collection, Preliminary Observations, and Recommendations (also available on-line)
Gabrielson, T.B., Poese, M.E., & Atchley, A.A. "Acoustic and Vibration Background Noise in the Collapsed Structure of the World Trade Center" The Journal of Acoustical Society of America v. 113, no. 1, (2003): 45-48.
"Collapse Lessons" Fire Engineering v. 155, no. 10, (2002): 97-103
Marechaux, T.G. "TMS Hot Topic Symposium Examines WTC Collapse and Building Engineering" JOM, v. 54, no. 4, (2002): 13-17.
Monahan, B. "World Trade Center Collapse-Civil Engineering Considerations" Practice Periodical on Structural Design and Construction v. 7, no. 3, (2002): 134-135.
Newland, D.E., & Cebon, D. "Could the World Trade Center Have Been Modified to Prevent Its Collapse?" Journal of Engineering Mechanics v. 128, no. 7, (2002):795-800.
National Instititue of Stamdards and Technology: Congressional and Legislative Affairs “Learning from 9/11: Understanding the Collapse of the World Trade Center” Statement of Dr. Arden L. Bement, Jr., before Committee of Science House of Representatives, United States Congress on March 6, 2002.
Pinsker, Lisa, M. "Applying Geology at the World Trade Center Site" Geotimes v. 46, no. 11, (2001). The print copy has 3-D images.
Public Broadcasting Station (PBS) Why the Towers Fell: A Companion Website to the Television Documentary. NOVA (Science Programming On Air and Online)
Post, N.M. "No Code Changes Recommended in World Trade Center Report" ENR v. 248, no. 14, (2002): 14.
Post, N.M. "Study Absolves Twin Tower Trusses, Fireproofing" ENR v. 249, no. 19, (2002): 12-14.
The University of Sydney, Department of Civil Engineering World Trade Center - Some Engineering Aspects A resource site.
"WTC Engineers Credit Design in Saving Thousands of Lives" ENR v. 247, no. 16, (2001): 12.
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by NinjaPuppy » 15 Jan 2010, 07:13
Part 3 = WTC Parts 4 & 5 = Pentagon Part 6 = Questions about decisions about the aircrafts
Hope this helps. I found all of these videos to be rather good.
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by highflyertoo » 15 Jan 2010, 10:02
A mind reading psychic will probably find out if 911 was a complete, I say a complete staged evil event on that particular day. Think of all the repercussions reverberating throughout the entire American Government Body and American Secret Services Operations Departments ....... A man who could reveal hidden secrets would be on Earth's Most Wanted List.
Randi was no researcher of the paranormal even though he tried half heartedly.... Shows over.
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by ciscop » 15 Jan 2010, 16:25
For every person who reads this valuable book there are hundreds of naïve souls who would prefer to have their spines tingled by a sensational but worthless potboiler by some hack journalist of the paranormal. You who now read these sentences join a small but wiser minority. Martin Gaardner (Psychology of the Psychic)
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by ProfWag » 15 Jan 2010, 21:47
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by ciscop » 16 Jan 2010, 00:12
For every person who reads this valuable book there are hundreds of naïve souls who would prefer to have their spines tingled by a sensational but worthless potboiler by some hack journalist of the paranormal. You who now read these sentences join a small but wiser minority. Martin Gaardner (Psychology of the Psychic)
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by NinjaPuppy » 16 Jan 2010, 01:36
I'm not debating your comments, I'm simply reminding you to please remember that your comments are seen by lurkers. They don't have access to the the background and information that you claim. Lurkers don't understand why a member of this forum is allowed to 'go off' on another member. It's not good forum protocol.
I also don't care to have endless links and re-posts from other forums. So posting any information on this forum that is not specific to the topic will also either be moderated or deleted. It serves no purpose and derails the original topic. I spent days removing total nonsense from various threads here. The off topic banter has gotten out of hand to the point where it overflows from topic to topic. It's confusing and unnecessary..
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