Why Christianity is 100 Percent Anti-Freedom and Pro-Tyranny

[Scepcop]

Christians may be shocked to know this: If you are a true loyal Christian, according to the Bible, then you are 100 percent pro-tyranny and anti-freedom. This is easily provable from the Bible itself. Face it. What you Christians are in denial about, is that clearly, the God depicted in your Bible is an evil tyrant who kills anyone who disobeys him, often for trivial reasons, and places ZERO value on freedom, freethought and rationality. His law demands 100 percent obedience and subservience, threatening death and damnation as a consequence for even one noncompliance, which is insane. That is crystal clear. NOTHING in the Bible supports human freedom, free choice, or liberty at all! Period.

Christianity and Fascism share the following core attributes:

a) You must obey or be punished.
b) No independent thoughts or free speech. Only conformity is allowed.
c) Your ruler is to be feared, for fear keeps you obedient to authority.
d) The use of fear and guilt as psychological control mechanisms.
e) The view that the individual is weak and powerless, and his/her life is without purpose unless aligned to serve a "higher power" or "collective." (e.g. God, state or dictator).

What this means is that you cannot be a devout Christian and believe in freedom or free choice at the same time. And if you do, then you are a hypocrite. Your religious doctrines and Bible clearly declare that anything less than complete obedience and subservience to God's will is sin and deserves nothing less than death and damnation, according to God's law. To do what you want rather than submit to God's will is seen as rebellion and sin against God. The Bible is clear on this. What this means that by being a Christian, you stand for ABSOLUTE TYRANNY, the murder of anyone who disobeys, and are totally AGAINST freedom, free choice, liberty, freethinking and reason. You can deny that all you want, but the fact is the fact.

Throughout the Bible, one simple message is consistent: OBEY GOD OR DIE! And in the New Testament, this has been modified as: Believe or be eternally damned! There are plenty of examples in the Bible where God killed people, often innocent (including women and children), for trivial reasons. For example, when Lot's wife looked back at Sodom and Gomorrah burning, disobeying God, she instantly turned to salt (Genesis 19). Now really, is looking at something really worth the death penalty? Well not really, but brainwashed Christians believe that God is 100 percent just and perfect (simply because they were told so), and therefore anything he does must be completely right. It's obvious circular reasoning. And in 2 Kings 2:23-24, God sent out bears to kill 42 children after they made fun of one of his prophets. Sometimes, God even kills innocent people to their leaders in the Bible. For example, in Exodus 12, he sent an angel to kill the firstborn children of Egypt, just to punish the Pharaoh. And in 1 Chronicles 21:14, God kills 70,000 people just to punish King David.

The BIGGEST HYPOCRISY in all this is that the Christian God gave as one of his Ten Commandments the law that says, "Thou shalt not kill." How can you respect a God who is such a big hypocrite? You can't, unless you are totally brainwashed and your sense of reason is hijacked. But of course, brainwashed people do not know that they are brainwashed, otherwise they would try to deprogram themselves.

Now, is killing innocent people (including women and children) for the disobedience of their leader a moral thing to do? I don't think so. But again, brainwashed Christians believe that God is 100 percent just and perfect (with no valid basis) and so will claim that whatever he does must be right. Again, complete circular reasoning, based on nothing more than what others have told them and what text in a book says, which is not real evidence at all. No one who does such things would be considered a decent person in the real world, but a monster. Yet a God who is claimed to be 100 percent perfect, good and just does such things?! WTF? Christians, seriously, how is your God any different than Hitler? Your God has killed far more people than Hitler has, according to your own Bible. He even wiped out a whole world full of people during the Flood of Noah (if you believe it that is). Have a look here at the tally sheet of the number of people God killed, according to the Bible: http://www.debunkingskeptics.com/Debunk ... Page22.htm

Now, if your God is worse than Hitler, then how could you think he is 100 percent flawless, just, righteous, and good?! Are you out of your mind?! Are you completely insane?! This just goes to show how badly your mind has been hijacked to believe whatever you are told, and how your reason has been completely shut off. Basically, you believe this insanity because you were TOLD to, which makes you really gullible and naive. As Atheists like to say, you don't have to be intelligent to be a Christian. Obviously, that's true.

Anyway, the bottom line is that by worshipping a 100 percent tyrannical deity who kills and damns anyone who exercises freedom and disobeys him, it means that you yourself stand for absolute tyranny, the murder of those who do not follow your faith, and are totally anti-freedom, anti-free choice, anti-liberty, and anti-freethinking. Furthermore, the fact that you deem such a deity to be 100 percent flawless and perfect, reveals your insanity and the degree to which you've been utterly brainwashed to the extreme.

Ask yourself this: If you went into a typical Christian Bible-believing church and told the minister, "I am a born again Christian who loves Jesus, but I don't agree with everything God says in the Bible, nor do I think his actions were always right." do you think he would say, "That's ok. You don't have to agree with God on everything. Just love him and love others. That's all he wants you to do." HELL NO! The minister would give you a lecture and tell you that YOU ARE WRONG, because God is the definition of morality and whatever he does must be right, just and perfect, and that you have no right to question him because you are just a mere creation while he is the creator, blah blah blah.

All copouts again, of course, but you get the idea. To truly follow Christian teaching, you are NOT allowed to think for yourself, disagree with anything in the Bible, or have any dissenting opinion. Your opinions are worthless, according to Christianity, and you are WRONG if you don't agree with everything in the Bible and with the tenets of Christian teaching. This just goes to show exactly what I've said, that Christianity is completely anti-freethought and all about obedience, fear, tyranny and punishment. It's not something I would want to be a part of, and fortunately, I don't have to be, because there is no logical reason to believe that its extreme teachings are true, nevermind infallible.

Remember that just because someone or some book tells you something, doesn't mean it's true. See my other essay here for an elaboration on this: http://www.debunkingskeptics.com/Christian_Problems.htm

You Christian denialists ought to look up the teachings of forbidden religions such as Gnosticism, which place God and Satan in opposite but more sensible roles based on their actions. (See here for an overview: http://www.theforbiddenreligion.com/gnostic-book.htm) As an example, right from the start in Genesis, when Adam and Eve ate the fruit off the Tree of Life, they did not die, but their eyes were opened, knowing both good and evil, just as the Serpent said. What this means is that God's warning that they would "surely die" by eating the fruit off that tree was a lie, while Satan's prediction was true. So how could Satan, the epitome of evil, tell the truth, while God, the epitome of goodness, truth and perfection, tell a lie?! I know you have cop outs for this, but again, you are denying the obvious. The truth is often the opposite of what we are taught.

Also, remember that there are other versions of God (or Gods) too, that don't require him to be 100 percent flawless and perfect. The Greek Gods, for example, had all the positive qualities and negative vices that humans have. And the deities in Hinduism has a mixture of good and bad traits too. The concept that God is perfect is a Judeo-Christian and Muslim creation. No one has to be perfect, not even a God. Whatever the case, the evidence suggests that we make God in OUR own image, not the other way around. That's why we project our flawed traits and egos onto him, when a perfect being shouldn't be like that.

The lesson we can learn from that is that we need to look within ourselves, for that's where the answers lie. Religion is like fast food theology. But truth is not like fast food. You cannot get truth from a convenient package or book. It requires a lifelong process of searching, going through layers and layers - for once you discover a glimpse of a certain truth, there are more layers beyond it.

The choice is yours - Either think for yourself, or let someone else do the thinking for you.

[Arouet]

I hate when Scepcop puts me in the position of having to defend christianity!

[Scepcop]

[Arouet]

Scepcop: there will be a lot that I probably agree with you about christianity and the judeo-christian god. But you take it too far. I agree that the judeo-chrisitian god is a nasty chap, but you also can't draw the conclusion that therefore christians must support any kind of tyranny. Neither does that god seem to operate (according to scripture) on a zero tolerance policy as you suggest above. Quite the opposite. Plus there are arguments as to whether the interpretation of hell like is traditionally depicted is actually justified in the bible.

Anyhow, again, I don't want to defend the bible, but there's no point in taking it beyond what it actually says.

[craig weiler]

[Arouet]

By the way Scepcop, you started watching Person of Interest? I think it'd be up your alley!

[Scepcop]

[Scepcop]

[Craig Browning]

Winston, please stop bringing butter knives to a gun fight!

On this topic you obviously have NO KNOWLEDGE, you've not done any rudimentary footwork on the subject matter. Had you done so you would recognize a handful of things, the least of which is the stark contrast between the God of the Old Testament and that found in the New let alone that found in Revelation & Daniel which is more of a reprise of the original arrogant schmuck.

The other little thing you miss is the fact that the New Testament has an instant conflict in how God is seen; that of the main character (Jesus) vs. those offered by an arrogant jerk who never met JC, actually condemned several of the Apostles and the family of Jesus as being ignorant to the actual message (Paul/Saul of Tarsus); ignoring the redundant gospels (4 different writings about the same events; mainly book reports on at least two older sources, "Mark" being the oldest) well over 35% of the New Testament is anything more than Paul trying to be Pope; his personal correspondence to this group and that and even these passages have known edits and additions sewn into them for political reasons.

Yes, the political arm of "the church", what most scholars & theology students call the "Orthodoxy" display a tyrannical face for most of the institutions history from the mid-3rd century to present (softening slightly in the 18th century forward). At the same time there were other factions that honored the teachings of Jesus, many of which were horribly persecuted by the other, yet they did live by the essence of what he taught and how he lived. . . even giving women social & clerical standing. . . a teaching that is surprisingly close to Buddhism, by the way.

I stumble over Atheist blogs & shock argument pages constantly and it never fails, most of which are exceptionally off base when it comes to their blasting the bible and churchianity; they are grossly inaccurate when it comes to what it taught, what represents what, let alone the historical & chronological factors. What we end up with is testimony of a bunch of self-professed intellects proving to the world that they don't know much of anything on the thing they oppose (imagine that!). The defeat their cause because of ignorance and their own bitterness and how it blinds them. Just like my points on how skeptics won't learn about Psychics from their side of things, so we have hot head pseudo-atheists/agnostics spouting off on something they simply know little to nothing about.

You are echoing this very same pattern. Stop being so damned lazy and actually LEARN about these things instead of going off like this.

I haven't the time to dissect your posting this morning (let alone a serious lack of desire), but if you want to be taken seriously and come off looking educated instead of being another hot head with a beef towards "God", you need to learn about the subject matter. You're not even touching on the surface here.

[ProfWag]

I didn't take the time to read Winston's entire lengthy post, but I will agree that there are a ton of hypocrites who claim to be Christian. Many of them, however, do believe they are doing good. I do wonder sometimes what the world would be like if we could all "Imagine there's no heaven" - John Lennon

[Arouet]

[Craig Browning]

[Tanya]

Hi everybody. Allow me to introduce myself - Tanya Simmonds, full time novelist and qualified academic theologian (B(th)(hons). As much as you will loathe me for saying this with all of your loving Christian hatred, Scepcop has it pretty much nailed down to the letter. This is also evidenced by the lack of any serious arguments against him beyond 'You don't know what you're talking about" and relentless songs and dances about the Gnostic interpretation and various other versions of this Bronze Age deity. NONE OF THIS is relevant, because the statement made by Scepcop had no connection to any of that. His focus was PURELY on the Bible as it appears in bookstores today.

What many of you must accept is that the Bible was finally compiled in the form we have it today be the Council of Nicea in 325 AD and the bottom line was that it is INERRENT! If that is the case, and this book is the foundation of your belief in a God, you cannot start to do tapdances around it with unfounded, nonsense phrases such as, "It doesn't quite mean that," and "You're taking it out of context." It says what it says, and no matter how much you don't like what it says, that doesn't give any of you licence to insult the one who brings these things to your attention. Please give me a valid, clear (remember, the Bible is supposed to be for the whomsoever: the wise and the simple) and relevant argument to defend passages such as Psalm 137: 9, Isaiah 13:16 and Hosea 13:16 (God ordering that all infants of his enemy must be smashed to death against rocks and that all pregnant women must be cut open and their babes torn from their wombs.) How about Numbers 31:18, 2 Samuel 12:11-14 and Zechariah 14:2 where God demands the rape of innocent girls either as a punishment to their disobedient husbands or as the spoils of war?

Jesus changed all of that? BULLSHIT! Jesus WAS God (John 1:1) He also stated that all of the laws of the Jewish Bible would remain for ALL TIME. These would include the laws that homosexuals, unruly children, anybody who eats shellfish or collects sticks on the Sabbath must be bludgeoned to death with rocks, along with the acceptable price lists for slaves and the conditions by which it is acceptable to beat them to death (Exodus 21:20-21.) Jesus asserted these things in Matthew 5:17-18, close to the beginning of the Sermon on the Mount! You may wish to check it out.

So you see, the Bible is savage, barbaric, sadistic, unreasonable and typical of the time and place in which it was written - and I haven't even mentioned the idea of torturing people eternally for failing to believe absurdities during a FINITE life.

Indeed, the Bible is astonishingly immoral and endorses the most terrible of cruelties. All such things are permissible in its pages - just so long as you don't masturbate!

Come on - hit me with it. I'm waiting...

Tanya x

[Arouet]

[Tanya]

Hi Arouet

I must say that, prima facie, it did seem that Scepcop was in the firing line of a bunch of Christian, fundamentalist, terrorist, sadists! There seemed to be a great deal of going out of their way to discredit the guy without having a great deal to back up their positions other than, 'we don't like the sound of that.'

For what it's worth, I don't think he went too far at all! The Bible IS totalitarian, in every conceivable way. It's 'Follow the way, or go to Hell.' You can't get more totalitarian than that. Even Hitler didn't go that far! Christians profess to follow the Bible, ergo - do the math. If they're not following the foundation point of their faith, what exactly are they following? Are you suggesting that they don't really think about what it is that they're supposed to be following? It is a fact that 90% of Christians have never read the Bible - in which case, they're not really Christians. I dare say that if the majority of Christians knew what sick, demented crap was written in their holy book, they would be horrified. There are, of course, those who do follow it to the letter and when they do, they are reviled by all - (the Phelps family of Topeka, Kansas, for example.)

Bottom line - you can be a Bible-believing Christian and be a monster, or you can be a decent, moral and worthy contributor to society who simply assumes the label 'Christian' without really knowing what it means. But you can't be both...

Tanya