Did Jesus Christ go to India?

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CNN's Rick Sanchez discusses the differences between the two faiths with a Buddhist scholar.

[Craig Browning]

Actually, there is a lot of documentation that supports this along side documentation of his living out his life (from roughly 40 years old forward) in the Kashmir Valley of India where his (Issa) tomb still stands... if they haven't bombed it yet...

The Vatican has worked very hard to keep such information suppressed but there are Monasteries that have valid documentation of Jesus studying with them as well as records in Briton in which Joseph of Aramethea brought his nephew Jesus to study with the Druids for a season while he tended to his business in the Tin mining world.

Why the Druids? One would ask

Anthropologists have discovered many strong similarities between the religious practices of the early period Druids with the Ancient Jewish people; traditions that would have been common to those of Noah's era. Add to this two important things; the Druids have had a very long history that says they came from a place that the waters had consumed. Many New Age dreamers want to say "Atlantis" but the bible may actually have the answer;

According to the Flood Story in the Bible, one of Noah's sons headed north and west of where the ark had landed to start a colony... While few doubt that the original inhabitants of the British Isles were established by said son of Noah, there is reason to believe it plausible that he made it into Germany where some of the earliest Druids are known to have existed; migrating out from there both, into the British Islands as well as back down and along the Mediterranean, where they became better known as the "Essene"... or so the story goes... a plausible story, nonetheless.


CONFESSION: I'd gotten a few things wrong above because it had been so long since reading the book mentioned early in the BBC show, but I think the general idea is pretty much on mark.

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Where can I find out more about this Issa?

Craig, how come you're so open minded about the official story of Jesus being wrong, but when it comes to Elvis still being alive, you're not? lol

How did Jesus' followers come to claim that he died on the cross and rose from the dead, if he didn't? Wouldn't someone have found out?

[Craig Browning]

[NinjaPuppy]

<clapping wildly> YOU GO CRAIG! Excellent explanation!

[derrida]

I readed many books about what craig said
that jesus never died in the cross.. he lived and died in cachemira
so yeah..it is likely that he learned buddhism
there´s documents about it.. they call him by another name.. which i dont recall.

[Js1981]

Based in discussion with a theologist historian:

- there isn't proof of a Jesus at all actually, there were several Jesus named people that time and that was very common name, jewish and Roman registry documents,
- the title Christ was adopted by many Greek politicians and it means ' the chosen one'
- the documents they found are Paul' Letters and John's gospel.
The gospel Vatican has is dated for year 160 and it is older than other writers, it is possible on data than John never met other writers,
- all gospels are written in Greek even tho the language in Palestina was arameic,
- only Paul is checkable historical figure, there is a list of Roman lawyers and judges but no record of Pontious at any point,
- no records of town mentioned in any of jewish, roman and greek data till year 200 even tho that data existed before,
- all other cults belived in prohets, virgins giving births etc,
- vatican today acknowladges Jesus being a gospel character not a historical figure anymore, comparing gospels all writers were merely poets not even aware of their own times,
- herod died as a general as documented as well as Catholic Church proven to exist few hundred years before suppose times of jesus,


That is comming from a new age Catholic Historian with a degree.

[Craig Browning]

[Js1981]

I am not arguing. I am merely stating that the whole thread is hypothetical at best.

I was born in a Catholic country where Roman Catholicism takes place at every school.
Priest study to become teachers to be allowed to do so.
One of the first things thought is that traditionaly whole morale of the Bible comes from the church not from individual interpretation. History teaches the right point of view of writers and comparing Bible teachings with modern events doesn't make sense, a priest should know what the writer meant back then.
Yes, I am Polish and John Paul's work concluded that they are absolutely not sure if Jesus was historical.
If he was based on supposly mentioning him in any writings there still is a possibility that the date would vary for about 150yrs.
We have Catholic Universities and I suppose the teaching program is available to check.

I am absolutely convinced that your knowledge is much greater than mine. I merely quoted what I was told by a Catholic Priest with a History diploma. As you writely said his knowledge can't be treated as a perfect source as we experienced Vatical manipulations over years.

[Craig Browning]

You mention the time discrepancy when it comes to the life-time of JC himself and I do know where that comes from; partly due to very poor interpretations as well as lost records from the 1st - 5th centuries c.e. and similarly, the fact that so much was recopied and passed on over the generations, each scribe inserting a bit of their own pov, and thus a series of "voids" as well as disagreement in texts comes about. A lot of this stems from the overly zealous scribe trying to amplify the greatness and surreal essence tied around the main subject, be it Jesus, Hercules or even Gandolf the White.

In the case of a Jewish Messiah, we have an individual (Simon bar Kokhba) that not only pre-dates JC but fits far more of the ancient Hebrew Prophecies when it comes to the description of the future Messiah than Jesus does/did. Yet both seem to be missing one well over-looked factor, his name is supposed to be Emmanuel according to scripture and not one of the entities that stand in the running for this position, have that name and likewise meet more than half of the requisites outlined in the older Apocryphal texts of the Jews. Even in the instance of Jesus, the name was deliberately altered by Roman authorities (most likely Constantine) so as to fit with certain Numerological indicators; in fact several of the "miracles" attributed to Jesus stem from older Pythagorean lore, such as the famed Fish & Loaves tale & feeding the Multitudes which have a powerful Pythagorean (mathematic/numerological) meaning hidden behind the exoteric description.

We do know, based on the historic observations of trusted historians of the day, that a person fitting the general idea of Jesus MAY have been genuine. . . I leave the door open here in that many scholars believe that the passage in Josephus' records, was added to at a later time and not part of his original records (sadly, such additions and acts of 'editing' were quite common in those early centuries of the church's invention).

I personally believe that someone that meets the now exaggerated idea of Jesus existed. I do not believe he was "divine" in the same sense as his worshipers see him but rather, a man who sought to unit others in the essence of things spiritual and wise vs. our carnal longings, lusts and inclination towards greed/ possession. It is a common theme but especially when it comes to the Buddhist and seemingly Druidic accents found within the lessons/parables shared by said individual and later, his key followers, family members, etc. This is a very Gnostic point of view which robs the "orthodox" believer of those key fantasies that define them as being "Christian", starting with the idea that Jesus was just a man and nothing more; a simple craftsman that found a sense of purpose and spiritual discipline that allowed him to "touch" and affect the lives of others in the same charismatic way many do in our present world/time. He was the Gandhi of his day, you might say; his desire was to reinvigorate the Jewish people when it came to the auspices of their faith rather than living as tamed cattle that simply existed for the benefit of the priests who weren't just manipulating & stealing from them, but who had strayed far from the original essence of the Abrahamic and Mosianic traditions.

As mentioned, I believe that those that latter sought to exploit and organize the traditions of the original followers of this man deliberately molded things to their liking, which included the addition of traits (miracles, indicators, etc.) that were common to all Gods, Demi-Gods, Heroes and "Holy men" of the day. One side of this action allowed the priests to slowly "borrow' and adapt older "Pagan" ideas, symbols, rituals, etc. sewing them into the Jesus myth that is now viewed with so much reverence from one side of the coin, and significant distrust and venom from the other side. Both sides missing the proverbial point (as man loves to do), which is to focus on the core -- the foundation set within this tradition that is universal to all modes of faith and spiritual philosophy; to find "God" within the self - to learn and know the self and from that, obtain peace and the ability to claim one's own power. . . one's own sense of Divinity.

[Js1981]

Fantastic post.
I agree with all of your ideas, specialy the one about Vatican wanting to control .
Great reading.

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Here is another interesting film I found.

Jesus was a Buddhist Monk BBC Documentary

Description:

This BBC 4 documentary examines the question "Did Jesus Die?". It looks at a bunch of ideas around this question until minute 25, where this examination of ideas takes a very logical and grounded turn with surprising conclusions that demonstrate...

The three wise men were Buddhist monks who found Jesus and came back for him around puberty. After being trained in a Buddhist Monastery he spread the Buddhist philosophy, survived the crucifixion, and escaped to Kashmir, Afghanistan where he died an old man at the age of 80.

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