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Another False Lead from a Psychic

Postby ProfWag » 09 Jun 2011, 01:32

I realize this subject has been discussed to death, but I wanted to re-emphasize my point that until a psychic has been shown to actually solve a case, no police at any level should use a psychic to help their investigation. Here's today's case in point: http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20110608/ts ... mechildren


Texas police probe psychic's mass grave hoax
HARDIN, Texas (AFP) – Texas police were investigating whether a tip-off from a psychic about a mass grave containing dozens of dismembered bodies was in fact a hoax after an intense search found no bodies.

State, local and federal agents combed the area around a rural home after a woman who claimed to be psychic called police twice to report the mass grave at in Hardin, Texas about 50 miles (31 kilometers) northeast of Houston.

She provided a very good description of both the outside and interior of the one-storey brown brick home and blood was found on the porch, which prompted police to get a search warrant and call in reinforcements.

Soon, local media were reporting that as many as 25 to 30 bodies -- including children -- were found on the rural property. But those reports turned out to be false.

"We searched the premises there is no indication there are any bodies at this residence, property or shed," Rex Evans, a captain with the Liberty County sheriff department, told reporters.

"There is no indication that a homicide occurred here."

Craig McNair, head of the county commissioners, expressed frustration with the "havoc" created by the false tip which led dozens of journalists to descend upon the quiet Texas town.

"Whoever this person was who gave this tip we'll be in touch with her and we could hold her responsible for giving a false tip and creating this havoc," he said.

The people who live there are long-haul truck drivers who are currently on the road and are baffled by the report, Evans said.

"Finding out that the police are in my yard for dead bodies? That's kinda panicking me," Joe Bankson, 44, told the Houston Chronicle.

"I haven't killed anybody," he said. "And I have a lot of friends, but I haven't helped anybody bury any bodies."

Bankson told the KHOU-TV that his daughter's ex-boyfriend got drunk and cut his wrists a couple weeks ago and is now in a psychiatric hospital.

"It took me all day to clean the inside of the house. I'm not sure I got it (the blood) all."
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Re: Another False Lead from a Psychic

Postby Craig Browning » 09 Jun 2011, 20:33

Yea, it was on the National News I believe. . . I find it funny, the fact that they never publish the cases in which Psychic gave solid leads and in a number of instances, lead authorities straight to the body and even the living person.

Why?

Because of stigma. Just like Pilots & Aircraft Controllers that censor themselves on UFO sightings so Law Enforcement and the Military obfuscate their use of paranormal resources, even to the point of burying cases.

Yes, this is a very old, very dead horse.

NO, I am not going to play fetch or argue the point in that those that don't want to give any kind of credit to such things, never will agree that it's not only been done but is done with great consistency. The catch is however, the psychics involved typically try to avoid any kind of media attention -- they are not in it for "personal gain or glory" but because they wish to help as they can and where they can. I've repeated this fact upon several occasions here; the "real" psychics (for lack of a better term) electing to stay out of the limelight and even outside the more "metropolitan" environs, residing in simple modest homes that are frequently decorated in an eclectic array of chachkeys.
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Re: Another False Lead from a Psychic

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Re: Another False Lead from a Psychic

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Re: Another False Lead from a Psychic

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Re: Another False Lead from a Psychic

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Re: Another False Lead from a Psychic

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Re: Another False Lead from a Psychic

Postby ProfWag » 10 Jun 2011, 20:26

Ninja, when and where did this event occur?
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Re: Another False Lead from a Psychic

Postby Craig Browning » 11 Jun 2011, 00:35

Several of you are trying to "rationalize" things based on theory. The media can't be all over something they can't prove (unless you're with the Ntl. Enquirer or Star) they can't "prove" things because of how "the system" deliberately conceals specifics. On the other hand we have televised accounts of dozens of cases in which psychics were vital to solving the crime, even if it were something as simple as giving investigators a new set of eyes on the issue.

You talk about "insider knowledge" but how is this possible when the psychic in question lives hundreds or thousands of miles away and has absolutely no direct sense of connection to anyone involved. . . not even the famed 6 degrees of association a.k.a. Kevin Bacon scenario.

I've simply seen too many situations and even participated in one major and a couple of minor situations in which crime or "loss" was an issue, through which psychic or intuitive phenomena was the key. In my personal experiences the biggie was locating a stolen car and ultimately leading authorities in Nevada, Arizona and California to a car theft operation based near Palm Dale, CA. Yet, you won't find me or any other psychic mentioned in the reports for several reasons, the primary reason is that it all started with one man that came to see me at the store in Reno and it was his insistence and personal follow-up to my leads that lead to the bust. Nonetheless, he credits me for telling him where to look and what to look out for.

In the more "minor" scenarios, I've helped locate lost pets and in one instance, an elderly man with dementia that had wondered off. . . of course, I could list trivial situations like finding car keys, lost packs of cigarettes and beating a GPS team on a treasure hunt, but I'll not go there (especially that GPS thing, in that I probably cheated when I did that one). :mrgreen:

The big problem that really exists is the refusal of the more cynical mind, to give credit where it is due and instead, attempt to explain away things in ways that are all too frequently 'weak"... for example, insisting on solid, unshakable testimony by ALL parties (from law enforcement) that are involved and on top of that, being able to prove each individual is unshakable and stands-up to their idea of being creditable. . . if history is an indicator I believe we've seen how quickly once respected scientists & researchers are suddenly made to look like radical idiots of questionable ethics the instant they suggest that PSI is possible, so what are the chances for a typical human being to withstand such antics of character assassination?

Like the various flavors of religion, the "skeptics" (actually, the cynics with an agenda) will support ANYONE regardless their lack or morals & ethics, so long as they a "yes men" to the cause and ardent atheists that are willing to spread the gospel of disbelief. On this the naysayers share common ground with every form of religious zealot, including acts of violence (though not nearly as inhumane as certain cults have managed to get over the millennia). If people don't yield to your personal point of view, they are chastised and made fun of and all too frequently demeaned or discredited; something many in this mind-set take pride in for some odd reason. But similar, actions that are akin to any other animal backed into a corner and feeling threatened -- you lash out in the hope of taking a few out with you. Or worse, you'll model yourselves after the military manners of a certain Mr. Custer whose idea of fighting Indians was to wait until the braves left camp on a hunting party, then swooping in to murder all the women & children. . . a little trick he learned from studying the Crusader era and war tactics I'm willing to bet.

I AM A SKEPTIC far more than not. Yet I KNOW beyond a shadow of doubt, that there are things about the "paranormal" that have legitimacy and just because we've invented explanations or discovered the subtle nature as to how these things happen DOES NOT MEAN it's all trickery, fake, deliberate deception or criminal behavior. It only means that we've figured part of it, out -- not all of it! Not everything in the Universe fits in the niche of a laboratory and as anyone that works with statistics will tell you, anything can be proven as correct now days, based on who is financially supporting the research as well as the political atmosphere of the day. So maybe it would be more wise to hesitate and consider the alternative and look a bit beyond reason, especially the more extreme areas of "critical' some wish to imply. . .

EXAMPLE: Most everything causes cancer based on your consumption/exposure to it. The constant flow of announcements about this and that causing cancer ALL seem to be based on outrageous, statistically irresponsible research -- test results based on a consumption level that is frequently more than ten times typical consumption/exposure, if not more. So, given such known and proven lack of fairness and logic, how can anything withstand such testing? How can anything not be proven to cause cancer? Or, as the case were, how is there any chance in hell of realistically proving something the "establishment" doesn't want proved? Like Global Warming? The Big Brother Scenarios? UFOs? or any other thing that might challenge things as they stand and are encouraged as being acceptable?

The whole peer review rhetoric we hear in retort is not a fail-safe means of check & balances now days, hasn't been in a very long time. It is a highly political-economically dependent aspect within society that is obliged to keep certain ideologies "controlled" and only through very small baby spoon fulls, feed the greater auspices of society "new ways" of looking at and understanding situations. This includes scenarios like the invention of the AMA and even FDA who, truth be known, have brought about a greater sense of harm and information loss that fulfilling their role and supposed obligation to the masses.

Step Back and look at the bigger picture, gents. Open your eyes a bit and see just how unfair and unbalanced all of it actually is and more importantly, look at the core of it all so you can understand where such "corruption" comes from and why it sustains the FACT that science is no long neutral nor as "fact based" as you may wish to believe.
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Re: Another False Lead from a Psychic

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Re: Another False Lead from a Psychic

Postby Craig Browning » 11 Jun 2011, 23:12

How can I explain this?

The majority of people that do honest work as a Psychic/Medium are not carnally inclined; they are not interested in seeing "gain" through their abilities even though they do accept payment as well as barter or gratuity type exchange. These people are highly spiritual and for that reason they simply don't function in the world in the same way most of us are inclined. This can be a very difficult concept for logic-minded people to wrap their heads around because it does not fit into their reality/logic, and yet there's not a major culture or religious element that doesn't have rather lengthy histories & multiple examples of this very practice, be it shaman or some kind of priest or monk.

Many "sensitives" actually reach a level of being overwhelmed from time to time and MUST step away and frequently go into retreat -- a restpit that will typically involve their getting far away from large populations and even setting camp somewhere deep in the wilderness so they can clear their minds, purge themselves and get grounded. One purpose behind such sabbaticals is to regain focus/purpose and overcome carnal temptation -- that would be when one allows themselves to embrace the commercial and carnal possibilities around things.

Were you aware that the greater Psychic Community views people like VanPraagh, Edward and Brown as "Frauds"? Not for the same reasons you would but because they "sold-out" and started chasing fortune & fame vs. the path of "humility" (as in the positive sense of being humble) and living as a servant of spirit and guide to our fellow beings. Such betrayal is strongly looked down on by those that have a stronger sense of spiritual commitment and focus, and as I've pointed out, it is not something most would be willing to endure in life, nor is it a way of living that most of us can relate to.

No, they do not live by a vow of poverty but rather, a commitment to serve rather than seeking personal gains & glory. Making a living of sorts is not the same thing and you will find that most who fit this particular niche are very low-key when it comes to the vocational side of things, a strong majority of them actually being reluctant to use their abilities as a means of income, doing so only as the result of necessity or circumstance. I for instance, came to the decision to do this work as the result of health issues and the fact that I have no other area skill-wise, by which to amply supplement my income; because of the horrid economy people aren't buying shows and are hesitant to buy a ticket for something that's as high-priced as my programs have to be (due to food & beverage issues) and yet, they are far more willing to pay $50.00 for a Reading. Granted, most do this because they are feeling desperate and uncertain about life and want answers -- hope; their church has failed them as has other such resources but they want some kind of amicable solution.

To coin a phrase, "Ours is a program of attraction, not promotion. . ." and to that point we too choose to distance ourselves from the media. My particular case being a bit unique due to my show-biz background, but with few exceptions I only garner media attention when it comes to deliberate PR stunts and trickery -- show promotions. Even the one or two "psychic" situations I do share, are not used at an extreme but solely as a kind of "mention" tied to my background, such as how I bring up the WTC/9-11 prophecy; an instance in which several sensitives across the country were picking-up on the same general energy, which is why I talk about it; it's not "Mine" exclusively, but a demonstration of "Universal Consciousness" for lack of a better term.

The "Commercial" image or "celebrity" tied to certain psychics is, as I've stated, frowned upon. On the other hand, authorship and doing lectures or workshops isn't just common but part of the calling -- the means by which clarity around what we do and how to cultivate one's awareness and other psi skills, is an extension to our role as teachers & healers -- healers in the sense of spiritual and sometimes emotional levels and in the form of being educators; guides that help people become aware and able to recognize the subliminal.

I really don't know how to better explain these points other than stating that history is rife with examples in which those of a set spiritual conviction, willingly distance themselves in a manner of being "IN the World but not OF the World".
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Re: Another False Lead from a Psychic

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Re: Another False Lead from a Psychic

Postby Craig Browning » 13 Jun 2011, 21:26

Ahhhh! The crux of the issue! :ugeek:

Crimes, Illness, Catastrophe, etc. are not the provenance of a Psychic per ce. You are looking at Karmic scenarios and only in instances in which some kind of special aid is needed, would any sensitive gain impulse or a connection to such things. I know you've heard of the whole "having to tune in" on the "vibes" and how it's like a radio transmission, it's one of the most common explanations associated with clairvoyance & telepathic type skills. The other element that needs to be added to such scenarios is circumstance itself; I have had situation in which I simply notice something "unique" about a person I see on the streets, the bus or whatever and because of what I see and feel I'm compelled to say something to them that pertains to their immediate future. Hollywood was made this type of thing a common thread in countless films & Tv shows; a psychometric touch of a person in a crowd followed by the psychic getting a flood of images (a Psychic Flash); it's a very real thing and some of the one's I've experienced are down-right gut wrenching. Nonetheless, it still remain a karmic factor; somehow the energy has been shifted and one or the other participants in say, a crime, no longer require that particular experience and so, they are given an option. . . a way by which to avoid it that does not take away from their Free Will.

People get ill and know cataclysm in their lives because of Karmic demands. They likewise know innate skills, understanding and perspective -- "gifts" -- because of karma; it is not a negative or positive, it simply is. It's purpose is to bring about balance and maintain balance in the Universe on all plains. The Rapist from ages long ago will ultimately return as the victim of rape just as an accomplished student of Music will return in life with a penchant towards music and the arts, oft time demonstrate an innate understanding of such things. But Karma likewise affects entire regions, nations, races. . . everything that encompasses the human experience. A look at most family groups will reveal certain common traits that can be tract through multiple generations; all of it a matter of karma tied to that family and frequently, a gender element in a family line; the males in my family being known for horrid fits of depression-anxiety and paranoia. The irony being that I'm the only male member of the two generations tied to my own and my father, that's ever sought professional help. The others tend to lean on a church that simply adds to their lack of self-esteem by telling them they're bad, wrong, etc. (but have hope, Jeez-us will save ya! It will all be better after you die)

Unfortunately "Life" tends to get in the way of things when it comes to how things "ought to be" in our opinion. Especially when it comes to applying "logic" to it all -- there's simply too many things that logic, rationalism and science can't fully explain away either.
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Re: Another False Lead from a Psychic

Postby ProfWag » 14 Jun 2011, 00:16

Is there any way you could state your point in a paragraph or less? I just re-read your last two epic posts and didn't get anything out of it that relates back to the topic at hand.
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