Are vaccines a dangerous scam?

[ProfWag]

[ciscop]

OHHH!! really?

i didnt think it like that i thought about it
like.. THEY'LL never recomend their family to do it
not that they do it themselves

[ProfWag]

[Nostradamus]

[Scepcop]

Skeptics,
Question: What makes you think that vaccines are all about safety, rather than about profits for Big Pharma?

Have you seen the documentary "Vaccine Nation"? It features many credible experts, including Barbara Joe Fisher, the leading expert on vaccines, who says that "it is a certainty that vaccines are not safe". One couple featured in the film even had their baby die from a vaccine. I showed it to my girlfriend and she said "Why didn't you show it to me before? Then I wouldn't have given our son all those vaccines."

Here it is in its entirety:



So why do doctors keep lying and telling everyone that vaccines are completely safe?

[Arouet]

Scepcop, vaccines are not 100% safe. No medication that actually does something is. There are side effects, and in a small percentage of people this can even be serious.

But you must compare this small group of people who have adverse effects to the large group of people who will be spared horrible fatal diseases. The numbers aren't even close. Do you really want to see a resurgence of smallpox? If you had been around during a smallpox epidemic, what do you think your reaction would have been to the vaccines? It is a numbers game.

[Scepcop]

[Scepcop]

[Scepcop]

This looks like a presentation worth watching. See film below.

Description:

Desiree L. Rover, medical research journalist and author, presented "Vaccinations, Weapons of Mass Destruction" on August 1, 2009 at the "State of the Planet" conference, in Amsterdam, Netherlands, put on by Groundcrew Amsterdam.

In her talk, she outlines the information she has been researching since her son died because of the chemotherapy that he got for a cancer originating from a vaccine. She presents many facts and emphatically encourages the audience to check out those facts for themselves.

We feel the information presented in this video is so critical to all humans that we would like to encourage you to take this video "viral." By that we mean, please send the link of this video to family and friends... and encourage them to also pass it forward so that everyone learns about this... Only by doing so, can everyone make an informed decision.

If you would like to contact Desiree, please write her at desiree.rover@groundcrew.nl

Special note from Desiree:
In my talk I stated that in 1997 the genetic remnants of the 1918 virus had been taken from the kidney tissues of Lucy, an obese Inuit lady victim... It actually were her lungs which Jefferey Taubenberger (Army Institute of Pathology) and his team removed from her body after having desecrated the permafrost graves of the 72 1918 flu victims of Brevig Mission, Alaska. This village counted only 8 survivors.

Johan Hultin was part of this 1997 team; it was his second visit. Already in 1951 he had succeeded in retrieving the virus in Brevig, but he lacked the necessary computer power to rebuild it then. It was when in 1997 supercomputers got installed at Fort Detrick (America's biowar lab founded by George W. Merck in 1942) that government agencies, scientists and pharmaceutical companies scrambled to get to Alaska and try again. This time they found 'Lucy', and with the help of the supercomputers Jeffery Taubenberger actually rebuilt the 1918 virus in 2003 and published its genetic sequence on the internet. (See also PBS documentary Killer Flu).
In October 2009 dr. Terence Tumpey (CDC, Influenza Division, National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases) will publish his article "Resurrected Pandemic Influenza Viruses" in the Annual Review of Microbiology, 2009, Vol. 63 (doi:10.1146/annurev.micro.091208.073359). Abstract on: http://arjournals.annualreviews.org/doi ... 208.073359

[caniswalensis]

What would we replace vaccines with?

[Arouet]

[caniswalensis]

[Jackal]

[curious]

[Arouet]

These personal little annecdotes about who was vaccinated vs. who got sick (or fat WTF?) are not very helpful in this question. No one is suggesting that if you don't get vaccination you will get some horrible disease. These are looked at on the group level. It is about achieving herd immunity: if enough people are vaccinated it can prevent the illness from getting into the community, thereby benefiting those who were not vaccinated as well. When herd immunity is not reached you get what we're seeing with the current whooping cough breakout in the states.