Human Flying

[Indigo Child]

The fact that quantum physics is clearly showing that physical reality ends at the 5th dimension
of the quantum world, necessarily shows that the higher dimensions are not physical, they are mental
and spiritual. Just like the spiritual traditions say as well. This is how all PSI and Yoga powers are possible.
As the essential nature of reality is mind-stuff, it responds to the mind.

As for your positive claim that none of these powers have never been demonstrated, that is your belief.
There are countless anecdotal reports throughout the history of humanity showing these powers have been
demonstrated and recorded, and there are now thousands of scientific studies documenting these powers.
Did you review the studies I just cited a few posts back on astral travel?

[ProfWag]

[ProfWag]

[Indigo Child]

[ProfWag]

[Indigo Child]

Prowag,

Your responses are typical. Rather than accepting the data, and explaining the data,
you are trying to falsify the data by inventing reasons for the participant cheating or the researcher cheating.
The irony in this is, you are not even a scientist. You seem to think that there are a lack of safeguards
that you can think of, but the scientist cannot. It is made clear in the article, that the participant cannot
observe the target. Moreover, it also made clear the participant is undergoing statistically significant
brain activity during those periods.

In the other experiments I mentioned optical targets hidden in a lockedroom were identified in conjunction with activity
recorded during the time of activity by the sensors. In the 1977 study a cat was detected to have become pacified exactly
at the the time its owner projected.

This goes to just prove your inconsistency. You reject anecdotal evidence because you say it is untrustworthy,
in favour of scientific evidence. However, when presented with scientific evidence you reject it for the same reasons.
In other words you accept evidence only that you want to accept, and dismiss evidence that you don't want to accept.

I can fill the next few pages with scientitic studies for paranormal, PSI, yogic powers and you will still maintain it is
not good enough. This shows, as I showed earlier, you are not really rational and could careless how logical something is
or how much evidence backs it up. You're going to stick to your beliefs in the end.

[ProfWag]

[Indigo Child]

[ciscop]

indigo
just show us a guy that can fly
what?.. you cant?

oh..

well... at least you have seen one right?..
oh.. no?.. you havent?

so the only thing you have is faith ?
ooh..
so bad

here is a guy that could fly

the thing in common with him and with your masters than can fly
is that they are both part of the imagination of the human mind, the wishful thinking.
thats it and nothing more until you can show us evidence of guys flying using their superhuman powers never seen EVER

[ProfWag]

[Indigo Child]

Prowag,

No I have not read this report by Dr Tart. I only am familiar with this case
from the first paper. You made the claim that there were insuffient controls,
so it is your burden of proof to provide evidence for that, not mine to go look
for it.

In reviewing Dr Tart's report I can see that he is very honest in both recounting
the method and analysing the results and alternative explanations. However, your
claims the controls were not sufficient is not wholly correct. There were indeed many
controls:

The leads from all electrodes were bound into a common cable running off the top of her head, and terminating in an electrode box on the head of the bed. This arrangement allowed her enough slack wire so that she could turn over in bed and otherwise be comfortable, but did not allow her to sit up more than two feet without disconnecting the wires from the box, an event which would show up on the recording equipment as a tremendous amount of sixty cycle artifact. Thus her movements were well controlled.

Each laboratory night, after the subject was lying in bed, the physiological recordings were running satisfactorily, and she was ready to go to sleep, I went into my office down the hall, opened a table of random numbers at random, threw a coin onto the table as a means of random entry into the page, and copied off the first five digits immediately above where the coin landed.

These were copied with a black marking pen, in figures approximately two inches high, onto a small piece of paper. Thus they were quite discrete visually. This five-digit random number constituted the parapsychological target for the evening. I then slipped it into an opaque folder, entered the subject's room, and slipped the piece of paper onto the shelf without at any time exposing it to the subject. This now provided a target which would be clearly visible to anyone whose eyes were located approximately six and a half feet off the floor or higher, but was otherwise not visible to the subject.

It should be mentioned that Miss Z had expected me to prop the target number up against the wall on the shelf; actually, I had laid it flat on the shelf, which she correctly perceived.


Dr Tart evaluation considers alternative non-paranormal explanations

1) A reaching rod concealed in her pajamas with a mirror. He doubts this.
2) Target is reflected of the clock. He says this is unlikely.

In conclusion there were controls, but it is not conclusive due to simple considerations like not examing Miss Z before hand
to look for any concealed objects. Moreover, a better test would have been placing the target in another room. One such
test was done but Miss Z could not reach it. This is one of the first studies done into OBE, so it does leave a lot to be desired.
However, since this study more have been done with far better controls. You will have to consider those as well, and show
me where the controls are insufficient. I will grant you that Tart's study is inconclusive, as he himself admits.

[ProfWag]

[Indigo Child]

[caniswalensis]

[ciscop]

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA
that was so funny Indigo
i was about to suggest the same thing to you

could you please show us a guy flying?
no? just theories and wishfull thinking?